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« Reply #1175 on: October 03, 2019, 08:30:00 PM »

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« Reply #1176 on: October 03, 2019, 08:59:16 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.
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« Reply #1177 on: October 03, 2019, 09:04:00 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.


Both parties are not the same
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« Reply #1178 on: October 03, 2019, 09:14:40 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.

That's what some you right-wingers here seem to be suggesting. "BUT IT'S NOT A CRIME!!!"
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« Reply #1179 on: October 03, 2019, 09:15:20 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.


Both parties are not the same

It's already happening in real time.
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« Reply #1180 on: October 03, 2019, 09:17:35 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.


Both parties are not the same

Conn's question would have merit (maybe...) if the Trump administration had inquired the Ukrainian government to look into OTHER sources of corruption during their conversations besides the Bidens.

They didn't.   At all.

The only "corruption" that is ever mentioned specifically involves Trump's political rivals.  They never mention other Ukrainian officials that are involved with corruption or anyone else at all.   It was 100% Biden, Biden, Biden.

If Trump was authentically "just trying to root out corruption" it wouldn't just happened to have a laser focus on a political rival by sheer coincidence.
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« Reply #1181 on: October 03, 2019, 09:18:44 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.

You’re right, people like you are saying “the more important thing is that Donald Trump didn’t say the words quid pro quo and also Adam Schiff is a liar!” You haven’t even gotten to excusing Trump’s actions because you seem resolutely opposes to acknowledging that they happened.
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« Reply #1182 on: October 03, 2019, 09:34:33 PM »



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« Reply #1183 on: October 03, 2019, 09:41:54 PM »

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« Reply #1184 on: October 03, 2019, 09:47:21 PM »



The foreign affairs committee clearly cannot figure out how to properly use a scanner.
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« Reply #1185 on: October 03, 2019, 09:52:30 PM »

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« Reply #1186 on: October 03, 2019, 09:54:46 PM »



Quid. Quo. This has it all.
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« Reply #1187 on: October 03, 2019, 09:57:45 PM »

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« Reply #1188 on: October 03, 2019, 10:00:30 PM »



I like that she is prodding Ernst on this, but the answer (cynical as it may be) has been available for years now: They care more about their jobs as members of Congress than they care about enforcing the rule of law, making specific policy (to a degree) or maintaining relationships with our allies. It's long been an insult that politicians only care about power and the perks of the job, but a proper one, and there have always been examples of this being true, it's just the Trump era has made it painfully obvious because Trump has constantly presented his own party with situations where they have to either try to reign him in or just excuse his behavior while sacrificing any morals, ethics or dignity they purport to have. The response has almost always been to do nothing or flat out distort reality to defend Trump, and even for the politicians who initially came out against Trump, all they did was run their mouths on the talk show circuits while refusing to actually use their leverage in Congress to try and force Trump to change.

I mean, not that it's even necessary imo, but just to indulge, Senators Risch and Johnson themselves previously said colluding with a foreign government to win an election is improper and illegal, but when this issue blew up, suddenly they all look at the transcript and say no, it's fine. The reason it's "fine" now but not before is because they suddenly woke up one morning and found out that they either had to put up or shut up, and the very idea of actually putting up was never truly on the table - never. And don't even get me started on Graham. He did the same thing. He is one of the biggest and most high profile examples of a politician completely changing their tune to keep their job, going from critical of Trump to total sycophant. Imagine what kind of person you have to be to have such a visceral reaction to this guy, and then just morph into an enthusiastic bootlicker and spend years debasing yourself, contradicting yourself, and feigning outrage in front of cameras, all so you can keep a job writing and talking about legislation that never gets passed anyway. I mean, how does he even live like that? Are these people really fine having virtually no dignity or self-respect?

To these people, it's all just acting. They don't care so long as they keep their jobs, money and power. Or, rather, perhaps they do care on some level, but not remotely enough to make them react on principle instead of their usual self-interest.

The fact is, most of these people belong nowhere near the halls of power, but because the people themselves only believe what they want to believe and reject anything that makes them feel uncomfortable or suggests even a little bit that they might have voted for the wrong person, these are the kinds of people they get to represent them. Corrupt, self-interested spineless partisan hacks whose only true goals are clinging to power.
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« Reply #1189 on: October 03, 2019, 10:04:06 PM »

If Democrats aren't able to polarize the hell out of the Maine Senate race by using this as a wedge on Susan Collins, we should pack up and go home.
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« Reply #1190 on: October 03, 2019, 10:11:32 PM »

It's looking like Bill Taylor is gonna have to testify.
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« Reply #1191 on: October 03, 2019, 10:17:41 PM »



The sharks are circling faster than expected, and this is ONLY the beginning.

Law of the Roach: For every one you see...
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« Reply #1192 on: October 03, 2019, 10:20:27 PM »



Wooow. The stuff in there... Whew.
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« Reply #1193 on: October 03, 2019, 10:32:56 PM »



I'm not trying to be a wet blanket but I think this is where we're going and I think it will work. People who are "undecided" on the issue are largely undecided because it doesn't affect them. It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to convince them that it doesn't really matter.
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« Reply #1194 on: October 03, 2019, 10:36:39 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.


Both parties are not the same

How can anyone possibly think that is the same message?
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« Reply #1195 on: October 03, 2019, 10:43:00 PM »

Master play by Schiff tonight, hate to say I agree with Rubin here:



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« Reply #1196 on: October 03, 2019, 10:44:25 PM »
« Edited: October 03, 2019, 10:51:25 PM by 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.

You’re right, people like you are saying “the more important thing is that Donald Trump didn’t say the words quid pro quo and also Adam Schiff is a liar!” You haven’t even gotten to excusing Trump’s actions because you seem resolutely opposes to acknowledging that they happened.

Thank you for continuing to misrepresent my position, I can't always count on you to do that!

Here's a thought that will blow your mind:  Maybe Trump did some things you are claiming, but didn't do other things. Maybe all the facts about this actually matter, not just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.  Maybe it's worth separating the wheat from the chaff.

Maybe you can help me with this:  If you were going to impeach Trump for a single thing, what is it that you believe he did, and when did it happen?   Between all the disproven claims and the flurry of inuendo, I can't keep track.
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« Reply #1197 on: October 03, 2019, 10:50:06 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.

You’re right, people like you are saying “the more important thing is that Donald Trump didn’t say the words quid pro quo and also Adam Schiff is a liar!” You haven’t even gotten to excusing Trump’s actions because you seem resolutely opposes to acknowledging that they happened.

Thank you for continuing to misrepresent my position, I can't always count on you to do that!

Here's a thought that will blow your mind:  Maybe Trump did some things you are claiming, but didn't do other things. Maybe all the facts about this actually matter, not just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.  Maybe it's worth separating the wheat from the chaff.
Well here’s some facts Trump’s own people said this was quid pro quo
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« Reply #1198 on: October 03, 2019, 10:59:26 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.

You’re right, people like you are saying “the more important thing is that Donald Trump didn’t say the words quid pro quo and also Adam Schiff is a liar!” You haven’t even gotten to excusing Trump’s actions because you seem resolutely opposes to acknowledging that they happened.

Thank you for continuing to misrepresent my position, I can't always count on you to do that!

Here's a thought that will blow your mind:  Maybe Trump did some things you are claiming, but didn't do other things. Maybe all the facts about this actually matter, not just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.  Maybe it's worth separating the wheat from the chaff.
Well here’s some facts Trump’s own people said this was quid pro quo


The Ambassador to Ukraine and the Ambassador to the EU have a disagreement about it.   Seems like there was a lot of confusion and ambiguity in the State Dept over what the policy was. 
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« Reply #1199 on: October 03, 2019, 11:10:25 PM »




Favreau is just making sh**t up.  No one is saying that.

You’re right, people like you are saying “the more important thing is that Donald Trump didn’t say the words quid pro quo and also Adam Schiff is a liar!” You haven’t even gotten to excusing Trump’s actions because you seem resolutely opposes to acknowledging that they happened.

Thank you for continuing to misrepresent my position, I can't always count on you to do that!

Here's a thought that will blow your mind:  Maybe Trump did some things you are claiming, but didn't do other things. Maybe all the facts about this actually matter, not just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.  Maybe it's worth separating the wheat from the chaff.
Well here’s some facts Trump’s own people said this was quid pro quo


The Ambassador to Ukraine and the Ambassador to the EU have a disagreement about it.   Seems like there was a lot of confusion and ambiguity in the State Dept over what the policy was. 
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