Yellow dog contract

[minionofmidas]

The employer-employee relationship is a purely voluntary one.

HAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, you were being serious?

Well, that's certainly a mightily flawed starting point, and you should be forgiven for any wrong deductions you draw from it.

[A18]

No, Emsworth is obviously correct, and you are an absolute fool if you don't understand that.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

What's the difference between a company forcing you to join a union to work for them and signing a yellow dog contract? If a person had objections to a particular union yet wished to work for that company how should it be legal to force them into a union? If actions like that are legal why shouldn't yellow dog contracts be legal?

No significant difference, which is why I am also against the closed shop.

[minionofmidas]

What's the difference between a company forcing you to join a union to work for them and signing a yellow dog contract? If a person had objections to a particular union yet wished to work for that company how should it be legal to force them into a union? If actions like that are legal why shouldn't yellow dog contracts be legal?

No significant difference, which is why I am also against the closed shop.

Same here...

[Inverted Things]

I really don't think it should be legal.  The reasons it was made illegal probably still apply.  My own thinking is that unions come in because management fails.  If management treats workers well, unions become less attractive.  That's why workers at auto plants in the south have largely rejected unions.

Right on! I've held quite a few jobs in the food service industry, and the standards for management at these places are not very high. That said, when I worked at Perkins I found the management just awful. This was a viewpoint readily agreed upon by the rest of the staff.

It's the only place I've worked at where seven (!) employees agreed to walk-off in the middle of their shift--and actually did it. It's also the only place I've worked at where the employees even discussed unionizing.

Unions can be as corrupt and stupid as management can be. That doesn't change the fact that they are sometimes needed, and workers should not be barred in any way from forming one.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

While we don't have yellow dog contracts where I work we have a policy that advocating unions and trying to create one while working on site can lead to automatic termination.

You realize this is illegal under federal law, don't you?

[Emsworth]

Unions can be as corrupt and stupid as management can be. That doesn't change the fact that they are sometimes needed, and workers should not be barred in any way from forming one.

I agree that unions should not be barred by the law. However, if the workers and employers agree that a union should not be formed, then a union should not be formed.

[jokerman]

They most definitly should not be legal

[Inverted Things]

Unions can be as corrupt and stupid as management can be. That doesn't change the fact that they are sometimes needed, and workers should not be barred in any way from forming one.

I agree that unions should not be barred by the law. However, if the workers and employers agree that a union should not be formed, then a union should not be formed.

If there is such an agreement, implicit in that agreement will be that management will not behave in a manner requiring the formation of a union.

[Emsworth]

If there is such an agreement, implicit in that agreement will be that management will not behave in a manner requiring the formation of a union.

Well, if the union and company agree that the management will behave in a certain manner, or not behave in a certain manner, then fine.

[opebo]

If there is such an agreement, implicit in that agreement will be that management will not behave in a manner requiring the formation of a union.

Well, if the union and company agree that the management will behave in a certain manner, or not behave in a certain manner, then fine.

Such agreements are meaningless due to the power differential between owner and worker.  They are essentially just dictation by the powerful to the powerless.

[??????????]

While we don't have yellow dog contracts where I work we have a policy that advocating unions and trying to create one while working on site can lead to automatic termination.

You realize this is illegal under federal law, don't you?

Doubtful. And if it is, I applaud their actions.