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« on: July 15, 2020, 03:25:52 PM »


Perhaps either 1988 or 1992? Looking back at prior elections, I know that (or can guess) these major cities last voted Republican in these years:

1. New York City, Boston, St. Louis (MO), St. Paul (MN)-1924 for Coolidge.
2. Detroit-1928 for Hoover.
3. Philadelphia-1932 for Hoover.
4. Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles (?), Minneapolis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, San Francisco-1956 for Eisenhower.
5. Portland (OR)-1960 for Nixon.
6. Atlanta, New Orleans, Durham (NC)-1972 for Nixon.
7. Denver-1980 for Reagan.
8. Austin-1984 for Reagan (?).

These are ones that come to mind currently.


I am not sure that Atlanta voted for Nixon.

In 1972, Atlanta had approximately 480,000 inhabitants. Fulton County had approximately 600,000 inhabitants. Considering that a small part of Atlanta lies in DeKalb County, we can say that in 1972 Atlanta proper comprised roughly 3/4 of the population (and of the votes) in Fulton County.
Fulton had 170,000 votes that year, and Nixon won it by 22,000 votes (a 13% margin). Considering that Atlanta already had a majority-Black population and that Nixon broke 82% in all of the nearby counties of Cherokee, Forsyth, Cobb, Douglas, Fayette and Clayton, I think it is a fair assumption that Nixon won the non-Atlanta part of Fulton by a 60-point margin or so. As I said before, the non-Atlanta part of Fulton also likely comprised something like one quarter of the vote. 1/4 * 170,000 * 60% = 25,500. This rough calculation gives Nixon a larger margin in the non-Atlanta part of Fulton than in total Fulton, or in other words would have McGovern winning Atlanta proper. Well, there is the DeKalb part of Atlanta, but it is small and imagining that it voted like the rest of the city is both the easiest thing to do and some that would explain why Nixon stopped short of 80% in DeKalb County.


Of course this is very rough, but it is the best I can with what I can find on the Internet and at least shows that there is a strong possibility that Atlanta voted Democratic in 1972.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2020, 01:00:10 PM »

Jimmy Carter did better in Forsyth and Cherokee counties in 1976 than in Cobb and Gwinnett.
Back then they must have been totally rural and full of good ole' boys.

Is it a response to my Atlanta post?
However judging by population growth Forsyth and Cherokee in 1976 were still partly rural with some very recent exurban growth, which then took off starting just a few years later and rendering them extremely Republican starting in 1984.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2020, 01:24:34 PM »

Los Angeles County voted for Reagan twice, right?

Yes, but very very likely Reagan lost the city of Los Angeles and made up for that winning Santa Clarita/Antelope Valley/Beverly Hills/Long Beach/what have you. You can check the congressional district map for this.
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2020, 03:22:27 AM »


Perhaps either 1988 or 1992? Looking back at prior elections, I know that (or can guess) these major cities last voted Republican in these years:

1. New York City, Boston, St. Louis (MO), St. Paul (MN)-1924 for Coolidge.
2. Detroit-1928 for Hoover.
3. Philadelphia-1932 for Hoover.
4. Chicago, Baltimore, Los Angeles (?), Minneapolis, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, San Francisco-1956 for Eisenhower.
5. Portland (OR)-1960 for Nixon.
6. Atlanta, New Orleans, Durham (NC)-1972 for Nixon.
7. Denver-1980 for Reagan.
8. Austin-1984 for Reagan (?).

These are ones that come to mind currently.


I am not sure that Atlanta voted for Nixon.

In 1972, Atlanta had approximately 480,000 inhabitants. Fulton County had approximately 600,000 inhabitants. Considering that a small part of Atlanta lies in DeKalb County, we can say that in 1972 Atlanta proper comprised roughly 3/4 of the population (and of the votes) in Fulton County.
Fulton had 170,000 votes that year, and Nixon won it by 22,000 votes (a 13% margin). Considering that Atlanta already had a majority-Black population and that Nixon broke 82% in all of the nearby counties of Cherokee, Forsyth, Cobb, Douglas, Fayette and Clayton, I think it is a fair assumption that Nixon won the non-Atlanta part of Fulton by a 60-point margin or so. As I said before, the non-Atlanta part of Fulton also likely comprised something like one quarter of the vote. 1/4 * 170,000 * 60% = 25,500. This rough calculation gives Nixon a larger margin in the non-Atlanta part of Fulton than in total Fulton, or in other words would have McGovern winning Atlanta proper. Well, there is the DeKalb part of Atlanta, but it is small and imagining that it voted like the rest of the city is both the easiest thing to do and some that would explain why Nixon stopped short of 80% in DeKalb County.


Of course this is very rough, but it is the best I can with what I can find on the Internet and at least shows that there is a strong possibility that Atlanta voted Democratic in 1972.

I believe you are correct about McGovern narrowly carrying Atlanta in 1972. I also think if that is the case, that Atlanta is very likely the only large city that has never been carried by a Republican.

No, it was very likely carried by Ulysses Grant in 1872.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2020, 06:19:07 AM »

I think Nixon won a nice chunk of NYC wards in 1972

Wards were abolished in 1938. Are you referring to City Council districts?
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2020, 01:20:03 PM »

The below is a good analysis but I would mention as of 1972 the DeKalb portion of Atlanta had considerably less minorities than the remainder of Atlanta as it was really more high income Atlanta or fairly newer "Semi Suburban" growth.  My dad is from near that area and I would estimate Atlanta DeKalb was probably one of the most Republican parts of the state this is coming from a low base of course and probably voted 2/3 Republican for President in 72.

Under this premise Nixon probably won Atlanta overall but not by much.



Thank you for this!

I think that Atlanta may have gone either way in 1972.
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