Trump orders U.S. companies to "start looking for alternatives" to China

[OSR stands with Israel]

While Trump has no power to do this things would be a lot better if there were no major  US companies in China all these years . The world would be a much much better place if China economy was where it was relative to the rest of world in the late 90s


China at this point as become just Post Stalin USSR they just hide their evilness more

Why would it be better for the world economy that a whole 1.2 people are infinitely poorer and thereby with much less surplus income?

Its one thing to dislike Chinese IP stealing but its another thing to wish a billion people were poorer. This is arguably just as bad as Wolverine's recession wish.

China has caused much much harm with the power they have had , and by the way I didn’t say same GDP as the late 90s but same ranking overall .


Say China remained the same ranking as say 1999/2000 which was 6th or 7th

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

While Trump has no power to do this things would be a lot better if there were no major  US companies in China all these years . The world would be a much much better place if China economy was where it was relative to the rest of world in the late 90s


China at this point as become just Post Stalin USSR they just hide their evilness more

Why would it be better for the world economy that a whole 1.2 people are infinitely poorer and thereby with much less surplus income?

Its one thing to dislike Chinese IP stealing but its another thing to wish a billion people were poorer. This is arguably just as bad as Wolverine's recession wish.

China has caused much much harm with the power they have had , and by the way I didn’t say same GDP as the late 90s but same ranking overall .


Say China remained the same ranking as say 1999/2000 which was 6th or 7th

There is no way that the UK, France, Germany, and Japan could have grown fast enough to keep China from rising to number 2.

[OSR stands with Israel]

While Trump has no power to do this things would be a lot better if there were no major  US companies in China all these years . The world would be a much much better place if China economy was where it was relative to the rest of world in the late 90s


China at this point as become just Post Stalin USSR they just hide their evilness more

Why would it be better for the world economy that a whole 1.2 people are infinitely poorer and thereby with much less surplus income?

Its one thing to dislike Chinese IP stealing but its another thing to wish a billion people were poorer. This is arguably just as bad as Wolverine's recession wish.

China has caused much much harm with the power they have had , and by the way I didn’t say same GDP as the late 90s but same ranking overall .


Say China remained the same ranking as say 1999/2000 which was 6th or 7th

There is no way that the UK, France, Germany, and Japan could have grown fast enough to keep China from rising to number 2.

Without US companies I don’t think China would rise to number 2.

US should have down LAFTA , TPP 15 years earlier  , India , and  more with South Korea instead of China trade imo

At least LAFTA should have been done

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

While Trump has no power to do this things would be a lot better if there were no major  US companies in China all these years . The world would be a much much better place if China economy was where it was relative to the rest of world in the late 90s


China at this point as become just Post Stalin USSR they just hide their evilness more

Why would it be better for the world economy that a whole 1.2 people are infinitely poorer and thereby with much less surplus income?

Its one thing to dislike Chinese IP stealing but its another thing to wish a billion people were poorer. This is arguably just as bad as Wolverine's recession wish.

China has caused much much harm with the power they have had , and by the way I didn’t say same GDP as the late 90s but same ranking overall .


Say China remained the same ranking as say 1999/2000 which was 6th or 7th

There is no way that the UK, France, Germany, and Japan could have grown fast enough to keep China from rising to number 2.

Without US companies I don’t think China would rise to number 2.

US should have down LAFTA , TPP 15 years earlier  , India , and  more with South Korea instead of China trade imo

At least LAFTA should have been done

It takes China rising to such a position though and seeing the way they leverage it, to create the political interest to pursue such a blatant anti-China trade policy.

The dirty little secret is, we hopped into bed with China in 1972 and hugged them close right through the end of the Cold War. Vietnam was on the wrong side of that divide and so was India, to some extent.

[OSR stands with Israel]

While Trump has no power to do this things would be a lot better if there were no major  US companies in China all these years . The world would be a much much better place if China economy was where it was relative to the rest of world in the late 90s


China at this point as become just Post Stalin USSR they just hide their evilness more

Why would it be better for the world economy that a whole 1.2 people are infinitely poorer and thereby with much less surplus income?

Its one thing to dislike Chinese IP stealing but its another thing to wish a billion people were poorer. This is arguably just as bad as Wolverine's recession wish.

China has caused much much harm with the power they have had , and by the way I didn’t say same GDP as the late 90s but same ranking overall .


Say China remained the same ranking as say 1999/2000 which was 6th or 7th

There is no way that the UK, France, Germany, and Japan could have grown fast enough to keep China from rising to number 2.

Without US companies I don’t think China would rise to number 2.

US should have down LAFTA , TPP 15 years earlier  , India , and  more with South Korea instead of China trade imo

At least LAFTA should have been done

It takes China rising to such a position though and seeing the way they leverage it, to create the political interest to pursue such a blatant anti-China trade policy.

The dirty little secret is, we hopped into bed with China in 1972 and hugged them close right through the end of the Cold War. Vietnam was on the wrong side of that divide and so was India, to some extent.

We could have rejected their entry into WTO , rejected giving them most favored nation status , and could have done LAFTA Right after NAFTA .

[lfromnj]

Look either a lower China in the ranking means either
A. Everyone else got richer, this is fine but its not physically possible for the Western countries to grow at 8%. Therefore you want China's population to be a permanent underclass in the world.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Look either a lower China in the ranking means either
A. Everyone else got richer, this is fine but its not physically possible for the Western countries to grow at 8%. Therefore you want China's population to be a permanent underclass in the world.

Yes I want China to be weaker than Western economics


Say in the future China becomes number 1 economy would u say it would be terrible to wish for days they were a distant number 2 behind America

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Look either a lower China in the ranking means either
A. Everyone else got richer, this is fine but its not physically possible for the Western countries to grow at 8%. Therefore you want China's population to be a permanent underclass in the world.

Yes I want China to be weaker than Western economics


Say in the future China becomes number 1 economy would u say it would be terrible to wish for days they were a distant number 2 behind America

China was the number 1 economy for hundreds of years, only losing it when the West raced ahead of China in technology with the industrial revolution. As they see it, they are reclaiming their birthright.

[Tartarus Sauce]

And they say the Democrats are socialists.

[lfromnj]

We absolutely should close our slave factories in China and pay Americans real wages for making things in the US.

"slave factories" are better than subsistence farming.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Look either a lower China in the ranking means either
A. Everyone else got richer, this is fine but its not physically possible for the Western countries to grow at 8%. Therefore you want China's population to be a permanent underclass in the world.

Yes I want China to be weaker than Western economics


Say in the future China becomes number 1 economy would u say it would be terrible to wish for days they were a distant number 2 behind America

China was the number 1 economy for hundreds of years, only losing it when the West raced ahead of China in technology with the industrial revolution. As they see it, they are reclaiming their birthright.

So was India but that doesn’t mean I want any nation but the United States to be number 1 . The world is best off with the US being the undisputed power

[darklordoftech]

Note this is the exact opposite of the promised spread of democracy in the wake of free trade

I know this might be a bit off-topic, but with August 24 being the 20th anniversary of Christina Aguilera’s first album, listening to it makes me nostalgic for a time when free trade seemed to be spreading democracy and neither side took the Seattle WTO protests seriously.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Does Trump's order include Ivanka's business?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Look either a lower China in the ranking means either
A. Everyone else got richer, this is fine but its not physically possible for the Western countries to grow at 8%. Therefore you want China's population to be a permanent underclass in the world.

Yes I want China to be weaker than Western economics


Say in the future China becomes number 1 economy would u say it would be terrible to wish for days they were a distant number 2 behind America

China was the number 1 economy for hundreds of years, only losing it when the West raced ahead of China in technology with the industrial revolution. As they see it, they are reclaiming their birthright.

So was India but that doesn’t mean I want any nation but the United States to be number 1 . The world is best off with the US being the undisputed power

If you remove all other variables, GDP becomes a pure factor of population size. More people means more transactions, means larger GDP.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Look either a lower China in the ranking means either
A. Everyone else got richer, this is fine but its not physically possible for the Western countries to grow at 8%. Therefore you want China's population to be a permanent underclass in the world.

Yes I want China to be weaker than Western economics


Say in the future China becomes number 1 economy would u say it would be terrible to wish for days they were a distant number 2 behind America

China was the number 1 economy for hundreds of years, only losing it when the West raced ahead of China in technology with the industrial revolution. As they see it, they are reclaiming their birthright.

So was India but that doesn’t mean I want any nation but the United States to be number 1 . The world is best off with the US being the undisputed power

If you remove all other variables, GDP becomes a pure factor of population size. More people means more transactions, means larger GDP.

Yes but the country with the most GDP is also usually the most or very close to being the most powerful nation on earth and we can’t afford China taking that role

[Landslide Lyndon]

Yes but the country with the most GDP is also usually the most or very close to being the most powerful nation on earth and we can’t afford China taking that role

TPP would have helped containing China, but we all know what happened to that.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Yes but the country with the most GDP is also usually the most or very close to being the most powerful nation on earth and we can’t afford China taking that role

TPP would have helped containing Chine, but we all know what happened to that.

Yes we needed TPP + the Trade War against China to take them down.

[longtimelurker]

Trump claims a 1977 law allows him to order US companies to stop doing business with China.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html

[T'Chenka]

Trump claims a 1977 law allows him to order US companies to stop doing business with China.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html

Trump is an actual socialist way more than Sanders. Blue avatars, please form a single file line-up and we will remove your feet from your mouths one at a time.

[T'Chenka]

Yes but the country with the most GDP is also usually the most or very close to being the most powerful nation on earth and we can’t afford China taking that role

TPP would have helped containing China, but we all know what happened to that.

They put things in the TPP giving corporations the right to sue communites for preventing them from making profits, even if it meant dumping chemicals into rivers. We remember.

[JA]

Trump claims a 1977 law allows him to order US companies to stop doing business with China.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html

Trump is an actual socialist way more than Sanders. Blue avatars, please form a single file line-up and we will remove your feet from your mouths one at a time.

How does that make Trump more of a Socialist than Bernie? There's nothing socialist about what he's doing. He's simply promoting a more aggressive and authoritarian form of State Capitalism.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Yes but the country with the most GDP is also usually the most or very close to being the most powerful nation on earth and we can’t afford China taking that role

TPP would have helped containing China, but we all know what happened to that.

They put things in the TPP giving corporations the right to sue communites for preventing them from making profits, even if it meant dumping chemicals into rivers. We remember.

Bingo. The TPP was not just about economic alliance (or "free trade" although that's an unclear buzzword)  - it was about pushing corporate privilege and "right to a profit".  Killing it and leaving it dead was one of the best things Mr. Trump has done. (Even if he likely did so for the wrong reasons.)

(And on a separate but related note, I'm not under any illusions that the Democratic party has rid itself of its strong corporate influence. Trump and the GOP are just so damaging in so many ways that even going back to fighting Obama-era Dems would be far preferable.)

[McNukes™ #NYCMMWasAHero]

Why doesn’t their “alternative” be coming here to employ in America?

In some cases, lack of natural resources or excessive government regulations can result in offshoring of jobs. It isn't always possible to actually bring the jobs to the US, but ideally that's exactly what they'll do. The US offshores far too many jobs to China that could be American jobs.

[Stranger in a strange land]

Trump claims a 1977 law allows him to order US companies to stop doing business with China.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/24/politics/trump-china-trade-war-emergency-economic-powers-act/index.html

Trump is an actual socialist way more than Sanders. Blue avatars, please form a single file line-up and we will remove your feet from your mouths one at a time.

How does that make Trump more of a Socialist than Bernie? There's nothing socialist about what he's doing. He's simply promoting a more aggressive and authoritarian form of State Capitalism.

And Tankies love to claim this is Socialism.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why doesn’t their “alternative” be coming here to employ in America?

In some cases, lack of natural resources or excessive government regulations can result in offshoring of jobs. It isn't always possible to actually bring the jobs to the US, but ideally that's exactly what they'll do. The US offshores far too many jobs to China that could be American jobs.

In most cases though, it is profit margins. Free trade encourages slave labor, because it enables production to flow to the lowest labor cost area and thus boost profit margins. Though it isn't emphasized when teaching about the Civil War period, but Republicans often made the connection between the two back then. Rome also harvested wealth via slave labor and sent it east to buy silks and other luxury goods, enriching China and Persia and leaving Europe in grinding poverty for centuries of the dark ages.  

Look I am for capitalism and a competitive market, but I am not in favor of completely unrestrained business or Laissez Faire. As a conservative, the way I see it is, unrestrained profit motive and creative destruction will destroy your community, depress religious affiliation, spread families across the county and disrupt family support networks. Removing industry leads to depressed wages, lower tax revenues for schools in those communites, rising crime, drug use, divorce and suicide rates. The dominant source of income becomes government jobs and government programs and the family is more broken. For years this has been happening and Conservative's would answer back that people should rely on their family/church for assistance instead of the government. The problem is those institutions have been decimated by outsourcing and creative destruction.

You cannot successfully merge Lassiez Faire with Conservatism because conservatism is about preservation of societal institutions (marriage, family, tradition, and yes in our case Freedom). Unrestrained profit motive wrecks those and leaves people dependent on government, the exact opposite of what conservatism would want. The reason why the GOP is always at war with itself is because you have vast amounts of money supporting lassiez faire economics, meanwhile that same force has wrecked the American heartland and ironically created more American Socialists out of despair than the Soviet Union could in 75 years of subversion and influence.

It doesn't require socialism, it requires moderating the excesses of creative destruction and at least some level of economic nationalism to redirect the benefit of capitalism towards that of the nation and its people. Sort of a combination of a civil and economic nationalism in that sense.

The end result of free trade is ultimately either New Dealer redistribution, taxing the profits of the trade to redistribute or invest. This can be pushed to the socialist extreme as well.

The other alternative is to restrict the trade through some kind of protectionism and try to rebuild economic stability so the family and communities can recover their cohesiveness.

Republicans are going to have to decide which one is more acceptable and compatible with Conservatism generally. Is the opposition to gov't dependence and pro-family/religion more important, or is unrestrained profit more important.