S.19.3-12: Workers Free Association Act (Failed)

[Elcaspar]

Aye

[reagente]

Nay

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Basically all this is federal law anyway so it doesn't really matter whether it passes or not.

It does however send a message on what is the current situation of worker’s rights from the government of the South.

We already know the Southern Government's hatred of unions.

[fhtagn]

Basically all this is federal law anyway so it doesn't really matter whether it passes or not.

It does however send a message on what is the current situation of worker’s rights from the government of the South.

"You must pay money out of your pocket to join this group or else you can't get this job." isn't a very good message to workers.

There are legitimate reasons why people may not want to join a labor union. That decision must always be left to the workers themselves to decide. It should never be a requirement.

As for this bill, there's no logical reason to pass it since the important parts of it are already federal law.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Abstain

[Elcaspar]

Basically all this is federal law anyway so it doesn't really matter whether it passes or not.

It does however send a message on what is the current situation of worker’s rights from the government of the South.

"You must pay money out of your pocket to join this group or else you can't get this job." isn't a very good message to workers.

There are legitimate reasons why people may not want to join a labor union. That decision must always be left to the workers themselves to decide. It should never be a requirement.

As for this bill, there's no logical reason to pass it since the important parts of it are already federal law.

Nobody is being forced to join a union. Sure at some workplaces, where a union has been designated by the employees to bargain collectively on their behalf, you must either be part of the union, or allow them to bargain for you in many areas. If you object, seek employment elsewhere: it's part of the terms of working there.
Imagine that it's like having to report to a manager or supervisor you dislike, or comply with work rules you find objectionable: you're not 'forced', but if you want to work there, that's what you're going to have to deal with.

I mean the job of labor unions is to be the representative of the workers in a workplace. I don't know about you, but i would rather bargain collectively rather than alone. It gives you more bargaining power after all, that's the whole point. That's why it's beneficial to be in a union, it's harder to ignore the complaints of the entire workplace, than it is to do so with an individual person. You have less leverage as an individual, than as a group.
But no unions are apparently not beneficial.

[fhtagn]

Basically all this is federal law anyway so it doesn't really matter whether it passes or not.

It does however send a message on what is the current situation of worker’s rights from the government of the South.

"You must pay money out of your pocket to join this group or else you can't get this job." isn't a very good message to workers.

There are legitimate reasons why people may not want to join a labor union. That decision must always be left to the workers themselves to decide. It should never be a requirement.

As for this bill, there's no logical reason to pass it since the important parts of it are already federal law.

Nobody is being forced to join a union. Sure at some workplaces, where a union has been designated by the employees to bargain collectively on their behalf, you must either be part of the union, or allow them to bargain for you in many areas. If you object, seek employment elsewhere: it's part of the terms of working there.
Imagine that it's like having to report to a manager or supervisor you dislike, or comply with work rules you find objectionable: you're not 'forced', but if you want to work there, that's what you're going to have to deal with.

I mean the job of labor unions is to be the representative of the workers in a workplace. I don't know about you, but i would rather bargain collectively rather than alone. It gives you more bargaining power after all, that's the whole point. That's why it's beneficial to be in a union, it's harder to ignore the complaints of the entire workplace, than it is to do so with an individual person. You have less leverage as an individual, than as a group.
But no unions are apparently not beneficial.

I'll give you a few valid reasons why someone would refuse to join a union:

1. Unions are prone to corruption and intimidation when given too much power. We have enough history to back this fact.
2. Unions are highly political. If unions openly express support in elections for candidates that a worker cannot support, they are likely to be forced to give money to an organization which donates money to and endorses something they don't agree with.
3. They damage entire industries. They play a part in the blame for the decline in the RL American auto industry, for example. They're also partly to blame for losing manufacturing jobs. What good is a union job when the job won't exist soon?
4. Unions make it harder for employers to get rid of workers who aren't fit for the job, and make it harder for great workers to get promoted (since they put a lot of weight into seniority vs quality of work).
5. Unions often make it harder for traditionally disadvantaged people (such as women and minorities) in certain industries to feel welcome.
6. In industries where workers and management work closely together and there aren't as clear lines in positions when getting the job done, unions can often damage relations with management.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Voting is Closed

S.19.3-12: Workers Free Association Act has failed

Final Vote Tally:
[ 2 ] Aye
[ 3 ] Nay
[ 1 ] Abstain
[ 1 ] Absent (TimTurner)