Trump administration: We can fire someone just for being transgender

[Landslide Lyndon]

But Hillary was worse because ...reasons.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/trump-trans-scotus

The Trump administration on Friday took one of its most aggressive steps yet to legalize anti-transgender discrimination by telling the Supreme Court that federal law allows firing workers solely for being transgender, arguing a Michigan funeral home could fire a transgender woman because she wanted to wear women’s clothing on the job.

Although the administration was expected to take the stance — and had previously said firing workers on the basis of gender identity is legal under federal law — the latest court filing asks the nation’s top court to establish federal case law in a potentially sweeping setback for LGBTQ rights nationwide.

[T'Chenka]

So if was a trans man (who used to be a woman) they would be able to fire him if he didn't agree to wear a dress and heels along with his massive beard and huge biceps.

Republicans can be SO WEIRD sonetimes, christ.

[Progressive Pessimist]

This is the most anti-LGBTQ administration yet somehow! Particularly towards the "T." What next? Is Trump going to issue an Executive Order attempting to censor the 'Rocko's Modern Life' Netflix movie for including a trans character?

[Inmate Trump]

And supporters love him because of things like this.

They can try all they want, but nothing convinces the rest of us that they aren’t racist or homophobic or transphobic like the person they vote for.

If you vote for Trump, you’re racist; you’re homophobic; you’re transphobic. (You’re also many other things too, like anti-science, but we’d be here all day.)

[President Johnson]

If you're a bigot, you can for sure.

[DavidB.]

If companies want to fire someone, they'll find a reason anyway.

[Grassroots]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

[Landslide Lyndon]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Too bad you can't be fired for being a Trump.

[7,052,770]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

How would an employer know? Somewhere in the 0.25% - 0.5% of the population is transgender, but it's way, way, rarer than that that you see someone in public and can tell that they're trans. Most trans people blend in seamlessly. If you work for a large company, there's a good chance you have (or have had) a trans coworker and never know. Any time you're in a crowded restaurant, mall, stadium, etc., there's a good chance you're around a trans person without realizing it.

[DINGO Joe]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

How would an employer know? Somewhere in the 0.25% - 0.5% of the population is transgender, but it's way, way, rarer than that that you see someone in public and can tell that they're trans. Most trans people blend in seamlessly. If you work for a large company, there's a good chance you have (or have had) a trans coworker and never know. Any time you're in a crowded restaurant, mall, stadium, etc., there's a good chance you're around a trans person without realizing it.

You realize you're talking to Grassr00ts?

[Inmate Trump]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

What bearing does one’s sexuality or identity have on how well they perform most occupations?

[afleitch]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

Can I be a reference for the next job you apply for?

[Landslide Lyndon]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

What bearing does one’s sexuality or identity have on how well they perform most occupations?

And yet you still voted for Trump.

[7,052,770]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

How would an employer know? Somewhere in the 0.25% - 0.5% of the population is transgender, but it's way, way, rarer than that that you see someone in public and can tell that they're trans. Most trans people blend in seamlessly. If you work for a large company, there's a good chance you have (or have had) a trans coworker and never know. Any time you're in a crowded restaurant, mall, stadium, etc., there's a good chance you're around a trans person without realizing it.

You realize you're talking to Grassr00ts?

He probably doesn't realize that he encounters trans people all the time out in public and never realizes it. Now that I've told him, he might mellow a bit, since trans people are everywhere and society continues to function.

[Santander]

We need don't ask don't tell everywhere.

[Higgins]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

What bearing does one’s sexuality or identity have on how well they perform most occupations?

And yet you still voted for Trump.

Didn’t vote for Trump in 16, but probably will this time around seeing as it in my best interest.

[Landslide Lyndon]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

What bearing does one’s sexuality or identity have on how well they perform most occupations?

And yet you still voted for Trump.

Didn’t vote for Trump in 16, but probably will this time around seeing as it in my best interest.

So I guess you should amend your previous post: it's not good to hire mentally ill people unless it is to my best interest.

[Stranger in a strange land]

So if was a trans man (who used to be a woman) they would be able to fire him if he didn't agree to wear a dress and heels along with his massive beard and huge biceps.

Republicans can be SO WEIRD sonetimes, christ.

The whole idea is to exclude Trans People from public space.

[T'Chenka]

We need don't ask don't tell everywhere.

You walk into a guy bar and there's a police officer in the corner, and everybody is sitting quietly with their head down sipping their drink and trying not to tap their feet to the music. One extremely antsy guy jumps up and starts dancing and the officer moves in and cuffs him. As he's being dragged out, he's screaming "I'M NOT GAY, I JUST LOVE MADONNA!"

[7,052,770]

So if was a trans man (who used to be a woman) they would be able to fire him if he didn't agree to wear a dress and heels along with his massive beard and huge biceps.

Republicans can be SO WEIRD sonetimes, christ.

The whole idea is to exclude Trans People from public space.

But that's impossible because there's no way to ever know if someone is trans. They are everywhere and the vast majority of them show no obvious sign of it. We all encounter them regularly out in public and never know.

[Xing]

For all the talk of Democrats being "out of touch" or "not caring about working people"... the reality is that Republicans are the party that protects employers and NOT employees. They want to protect the right of employers to pay their workers as poorly as they please, treat them as poorly as they please, refuse to compensate their workers for extra time, not be subject to even the most sensible environmental regulations, and, of course, the power to fire their workers for any reason they please. They also want to take away the employees' power to defend themselves and demand fair pay and treatment, which is why they've launched so many sleazy and dishonest campaigns against unions. If you're looking for a party that doesn't care about working people, the Democratic Party should be second on your list, not first.

[Inmate Trump]

We need don't ask don't tell everywhere.

Nah.  But if so, then that should include straight people too, meaning that a straight person should face whatever punishment a gay or trans person might if they decide to reveal their sexuality.

[Fuzzy Bear]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

What bearing does one’s sexuality or identity have on how well they perform most occupations?

In this case, it is a funeral home.

Trans people are at different stages of transitioning.   There are trans women who have had surgeries and have had hormonal treatments that clearly appear female, and, from a business point of view, it would be prudent to want such a person to dress as a female.  But what about the trans woman who has had none of this and is female only by self-identification?  Why is a funeral home unreasonable in expecting that person to dress in male attire?

A funeral home is a place where people come to during extreme grief.  There is an expectation on the part of clients that people be entirely professional, and that they maintain a standard professional business appearance.  This is for the well-being of the clients, all of whom are usually distraught at the time they arrange a funeral.  How would ordinary grieving people view a funeral home employee who has a clear male appearance dealing with them in obviously female clothing?  Is it really discrimination to require an employee to adhere to a dress code?  (That's what THIS case is really about when one boils it all down.)

I am grateful that I do not suffer from gender dysphoria.  I don't pretend to fully understand this, and where this condition comes from.  I don't wish to drive people from viable employment, except for just cause.  But is this situation ALL about the trans woman (who is a biological male) and nothing at all about the business owner and his ability to conduct business?

[DINGO Joe]

A smarter thing to do would be to not hire them in the first place.

How would an employer know? Somewhere in the 0.25% - 0.5% of the population is transgender, but it's way, way, rarer than that that you see someone in public and can tell that they're trans. Most trans people blend in seamlessly. If you work for a large company, there's a good chance you have (or have had) a trans coworker and never know. Any time you're in a crowded restaurant, mall, stadium, etc., there's a good chance you're around a trans person without realizing it.

You realize you're talking to Grassr00ts?

He probably doesn't realize that he encounters trans people all the time out in public and never realizes it. Now that I've told him, he might mellow a bit, since trans people are everywhere and society continues to function.

I'mma gonna bet not on that.