Tarrant co GOPer: Lets finish what Trump started and form an Amer Nat party

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

1990s CA GOP: "We just doomed ourselves to be a minority party for generations."

2010s TX GOP: "Hold my beer."

More of national gop because if they lose Texas they will be in the wilderness at the national level similar to the 1980s Dems and then the map will realign after 8-12 years in the wilderness .


A party just cannot win a Presidential election without winning one of CA , TX or NY

Don't forget the third largest state, Florida, assuming they don't make the same stupid mistakes there.

Florida is a bit different in terms of trajectory in that it gets a constant resupply of Republicans as a retirement mecca for rich white Republicans and this, plus a more stable political culture that is use to being in a razor thin competition with the Democrats and you have a state that is likely to remain rather close. Granted Republicans have their own problems in the state long term but it might be easy to balance the base that is use to having to compete with Democrats with winning the general far better than TX where it was all about being as conservative as possible to win the primary and then the general was a given for the GOP.

Florida Republicans would also be more likely to discuss environment and climate issues there because there is hardly no energy sector, tourism is important, the land is very low and Hurricanes are a frequent threat. This gives them a big advantage compared to the TX GOP, which is heavily tied to oil interests.

[OSR stands with Israel]

1990s CA GOP: "We just doomed ourselves to be a minority party for generations."

2010s TX GOP: "Hold my beer."

More of national gop because if they lose Texas they will be in the wilderness at the national level similar to the 1980s Dems and then the map will realign after 8-12 years in the wilderness .


A party just cannot win a Presidential election without winning one of CA , TX or NY

Don't forget the third largest state, Florida, assuming they don't make the same stupid mistakes there.

Florida is a bit different in terms of trajectory in that it gets a constant resupply of Republicans as a retirement mecca for rich white Republicans and this, plus a more stable political culture that is use to being in a razor thin competition with the Democrats and you have a state that is likely to remain rather close. Granted Republicans have their own problems in the state long term but it might be easy to balance the base that is use to having to compete with Democrats with winning the general far better than TX where it was all about being as conservative as possible to win the primary and then the general was a given for the GOP.

Florida Republicans would also be more likely to discuss environment and climate issues there because there is hardly no energy sector, tourism is important, the land is very low and Hurricanes are a frequent threat. This gives them a big advantage compared to the TX GOP, which is heavily tied to oil interests.

Even with FL , without TX this is how the map would look like even if the Midwest and NH and ME go Republican

They only get to 257 EV and these numbers will only get worse in the 2020s . Without Texas the National GOP will become the National Dems of the 1980s (and Dems in general only thing was they had literal conservatives save them at the House level).


Republicans need Trump to lose in 2020 and with the Dem getting 300 EV or more and having the senate be around 50-50 for the Dems (Manchin puts a halt on the leftist agenda ). Do that and Trumpism will be fully rejected

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is not Trumpism, it is policy inflexibility.


There are issues out there no matter which path you take, electorally, that require the GOP to make compromises on some things and that is something that they are not in a position to do.

Republican politicians have to a large extent been drilled down into being uniform and without much variance and they are trained to tow the line or massive army of pressure groups will sever them limb from limb.

In nature when you lack genetic variance, you end up vulnerable to extinction. In politics....


Republicans are not capable of addressing the pressing issues that concern not just swing voters (in either path you take) but also core pieces of the base.

A large number of Trump's voters want cheap drugs and health care access, a number of suburban swing voters want background checks and many younger voters everywhere are concerned about climate change.

Eliminating Trumpism doesn't save the GOP, it just returns it to the same army of lobbyists, donors and think tanks that have chains on the party's neck and prevent it from adapting to the modern reality. Getting rid of Trump isn't going make oil bound TX GOP suddenly start promoting GOP alternatives to reduce carbon emissions in the Dallas suburbs. They were calling climate change a hoax before Trump (Rush was saying that for decades) and they will keep saying that. It isn't going to make NRA bound Republicans embrace Manchin-Toomey, which at this point is the gateway policy to not even just gaining support, but to avoid getting absolutely trashed in suburbs around the country. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If Trump was not constrained by his party, he would do an Assault Weapons Ban, and at the very least background checks, but probably both. Trump is not a hunter, he is a New Yorker, an as recently as 2013 he was going on tweet storms against the NRA.

He would also do price controls on drugs, he would probably support some kind of health care program that expands access (remember the 2015 comments praising European systems) and he would has a boner for construction so he would spend a lot on infrastructure.

If Trumpist policy aspirations actually matched the achievements, the GOP would be in a much better place electorally. It is precisely because the Reaganist elements of the GOP are filtering all of the popular stuff out, that leaves Trumpism as basically just comprising the ugliest components, some of which will naturally depart once Trump is gone (hopefully), even if the GOP remains more trumpian afterwards (it probably will).

Trump's deviations on some things cause heart burn even for me and I have historically been tolerant of policy disagreements, but winning elections isn't about getting what you want necessarily, it is about matching people where they are and if the GOP cannot do that, that is the quickest path to the wilderness.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The problem is not Trumpism, it is policy inflexibility.


There are issues out there no matter which path you take, electorally, that require the GOP to make compromises on some things and that is something that they are not in a position to do.

Republican politicians have to a large extent been drilled down into being uniform and without much variance and they are trained to tow the line or massive army of pressure groups will sever them limb from limb.

In nature when you lack genetic variance, you end up vulnerable to extinction. In politics....


Republicans are not capable of addressing the pressing issues that concern not just swing voters (in either path you take) but also core pieces of the base.

A large number of Trump's voters want cheap drugs and health care access, a number of suburban swing voters want background checks and many younger voters everywhere are concerned about climate change.

Eliminating Trumpism doesn't save the GOP, it just returns it to the same army of lobbyists, donors and think tanks that have chains on the party's neck and prevent it from adapting to the modern reality.

The GOP will probably rue the day they chose George W Bush over McCain in 2000. The Bush years were a disaster  for the GOP and the tea party and Trump are just a consequence of those 8 Bush years

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The problem is not Trumpism, it is policy inflexibility.


There are issues out there no matter which path you take, electorally, that require the GOP to make compromises on some things and that is something that they are not in a position to do.

Republican politicians have to a large extent been drilled down into being uniform and without much variance and they are trained to tow the line or massive army of pressure groups will sever them limb from limb.

In nature when you lack genetic variance, you end up vulnerable to extinction. In politics....


Republicans are not capable of addressing the pressing issues that concern not just swing voters (in either path you take) but also core pieces of the base.

A large number of Trump's voters want cheap drugs and health care access, a number of suburban swing voters want background checks and many younger voters everywhere are concerned about climate change.

Eliminating Trumpism doesn't save the GOP, it just returns it to the same army of lobbyists, donors and think tanks that have chains on the party's neck and prevent it from adapting to the modern reality.

The GOP will probably rue the day they chose George W Bush over McCain in 2000. The Bush years were a disaster  for the GOP and the tea party and Trump are just a consequence of those 8 Bush years

Arguably this dates back to the way Newt Gingrich distilled Reaganism and regained Congress, then with his replacement by Hastert and Delay you had the army of lobbyists, donors and think tanks come on the scene and eventually intermingle to form the Washington "Conservative" Establishment with could match money, policy and politicians together in a sort of clearing house and if you deviated from the line, they had the money and strategy to get you voted out and replaced with someone who would tow the line.

Bush actually was able to achieve various non-conservative domestic policies to appease key swing votes in critical states on a micro-targetted level. I remember Karl Rove talking about how they used NCLB and education to sway a select number of Hispanic women in New Mexico. If Trump could get background checks, drug prices and maybe something on family Medical Leave (basically the Kushner pet projects), they have the policy nucleus to accomplish the same kind of strategy in 2020, but ironically it will be the tea party and small gov't pre-Trump Conservatives who will inhibit that on ideological grounds.

[Indy Texas]

Came expecting American Nationalist party. I was disappointed.

That’s...exactly what it is.

Am Nationalist party = Am Nazi party??

Those are two very different things.

4) Quit talking about fing ethnic cleansing.

[Citation needed]

Is there a better term for removing an undesired group of people that is causing your piece of clay to vote the wrong way?

Removing illegal immigrants is not comparable to ethnic cleansing. Are you f**king crazy?

Most Hispanic people in Texas are not illegal immigrants.

And anyway, illegal immigrants cannot vote!

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Is this the same county GOP organization that wanted to strip a Muslim doctor of his leadership position because he was a Muslim?

Yes, the Tarrant County GOP is pretty far to the right, it is mostly ruled by the tea party (yes, I mean this in 2019). There are a few establishment republicans that are prominent in elected positions but the party leadership and such is pretty far right and far right influenced.