Dayton shooter Connor Betts was an anti-Trump, radical leftist

[Grassroots]

The right-wing snowflakes really needed this, since "winning on the scoreboard" is the most important thing to them.

On the other side, the left condemns all gun violence equally, regardless of the politics or apolitics of the shooter, and wants to solve it all, including both the <1% of gun deaths from mass shootings and the >99% not from mass shootings.

Every single mass shooting is a political victory for you, since you get to use it as moral justification to take everyone's rights away.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

The Twitter account is a hoax.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Again can we stop politicizing these attacks especially in this manner

[Grassroots]

Again can we stop politicizing these attacks especially in this manner

Tell the dems that.

The Twitter account is a hoax.

No it isn't.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Again can we stop politicizing these attacks especially in this manner

Tell the dems that.

I did in the thread where they did .

[Pandaguineapig]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

[7,052,770]

The right-wing snowflakes really needed this, since "winning on the scoreboard" is the most important thing to them.

On the other side, the left condemns all gun violence equally, regardless of the politics or apolitics of the shooter, and wants to solve it all, including both the <1% of gun deaths from mass shootings and the >99% not from mass shootings.

Every single mass shooting is a political victory for you, since you get to use it as moral justification to take everyone's rights away.

When has it ever been a political victory for us? 20 dead kindergartners couldn't even convince Republicans to pass a background checks bill than 90% of Americans supported, and what happened in the next midterm elections? Oh, Republicans picked up 9 seats anyway.

We advocate for sensible gun reforms because it's the right thing to do, not because it's going to help us win politically.

[Hammy]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

I dislike Warren at this point with a passion, but do tell me when she's referred to people as animals, or invaders, or otherwise encouraged or condoned violence from her supporters? That Trump has done these things is at least on very public record.

[Goldwater]

Again can we stop politicizing these attacks especially in this manner

Tell the dems that.

FFS, is your moral compass so juvenile that you actually believe "they started it" is a valid justification for doing things?

[pbrower2a]

A sickness is upon America -- a contempt for life.

[GoTfan]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

How about, I don't know, restricting access to guns?

[Hammy]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

I dislike Warren at this point with a passion, but do tell me when she's referred to people as animals, or invaders, or otherwise encouraged or condoned violence from her supporters? That Trump has done these things is at least on very public record.

You really don't expect a legitimate answer from Pandaguineapig, do you?
He just came here to troll.

Lol, the same people who try to blame Trump for every shooting get their panties in a wad every time someone points out that a fellow resistance member took the "millions will die" or "antifa is just like the people storming Normandy" lines too seriously. To be fair there is a significant portion of the Democratic base that wishes James Hodgkinson had been more successful

You might want to see a doctor about that verbal diarrhea you're having, it might be serious.

A sickness is upon America -- a contempt for life.

This country was founded on slavery, had blacks being 3/5 of a person in the constitution, has always glorified guns and war, and refuses to take care of the most basic needs of it's citizens such as treating access to water as a basic human right--contempt for life is unfortunately not a sickness but the very heart of what America has always stood for.

[Grassroots]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

How about, I don't know, restricting access to guns?

How about no.

[Mr. Smith]

Again can we stop politicizing these attacks especially in this manner

Tell the dems that.

FFS, is your moral compass so juvenile that you actually believe "they started it" is a valid justification for doing things?

He is literally a juvenile, so that would make sense.

[junior chįmp]

They are both terrorist organizations so they are the same in my book.

[NOVA Green]

Grassr00ts once again doing a bogus false equivalency between White Nationalist / White Supremacist mass murders, and trying to take a completely different type of mass shooting to distract and deflect from his despicable statements regarding the El Paso massacre....

Apparently some of his statements are now being taken to mean on this very forum that somehow the Dayton shooter was some sort of "radical leftist" who committed this mass murder as some sort of political agenda.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=327919.msg6912312#msg6912312

I have not attempted to politicize the tragedy, despite the encouragement that the President provides to White Extremist Domestic Violent political formations....

I have not attempted to use the tragedy to call for massive regulation of private ownership of guns, as opposed to many others.

Still Grassr00ts, is now trying to exploit this tragedy and shift the issue, although he never responded for my call for him to completely condemn the White Supremacist / Nationalist Domestic Terrorist Movement.

I asked a simple question:

"8.) My question for you is simply this: Do you support a massive crackdown against White Supremacist political formations, or will you continue to blame Atlas members that might post a picture that you don't like because of some bizarre moral false equivalency issue you got going on in your head?

Please immediately condemn the actions of the extremist White Supremacist Movement, otherwise it might well appear that you are a fellow traveler."

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=327624.msg6910883#msg6910883

Grassr00ts never responded, and now for whatever reason is continuing the same Neo-Nazi trip about "both sides do it" after reporting me to the Mods and requesting I be banned for simply posting picture.....

Reminds me of the slippery White Supremacist snakes of the American Front and similar organizations I had to deal with small Mill Towns in Oregon back in the Mid to late 1980s, where they constantly divert conversations while they are on a recruiting gig, pandering to whatever concerns might be on the mind of their targets, to build their hate-based movement....

Apologies for not seeing that post, I have responded to your question. Of course, when it's a white nationalist terrorist you go head over heels into partisan banter, but if it talks about the Antifa terrorism displayed by the Dayton shooter, you don't care. Possibly because you are a Antifa supporter yourself. The double standards here from you are blatant. You should honestly be ashamed of yourself. So I just have one question for you:

Do you support a massive crackdown against Antifa or other radical left political formations, or will you continue to blame Atlas members that might post a picture that you don't like because of some bizarre moral false equivalency issue you got going on in your head?

Please immediately condemn the actions of Antifa, otherwise it might well appear that you are a fellow traveler.

Dude... you had a Meltdown last Night, with "All the Eyes of Atlas Upon You"....

Instead of a condemnation of the White Nationalist Movement that caused the Mass Murder in El Paso, you chose to divert the subject.

Even the vast majority of Republican and Republican-Leaning Independents on Atlas called out your defense of the White Supremacist Movement, where you attempted to divert the subject elsewhere.

I do not believe that you are a racist or White Nationalist / Supremacist, but the way in which you attempt to divert the subject is fascinating.

I have in my entire posting history in the post-Trump era tried to explain why WWC communities in Oregon and Nationally saw Trump as a different kind of Republican.

The legacy of Free Trade Agreements that left our workers unemployed by both Democratic and Republican Presidents alike.

The Illegal War in Iraq, where our Sons and daughters were sent to fight and die in the desert sand because of the false lies of the Bush Jr / Cheney Administration.

It does not surprise me at all that many of these voters rejected Democrats and Republicans alike in the 2016 Presidential Election.

I have spoken out against a knee-jerk response to ban certain types of firearms because of these types of mass assaults, where I have multiple friends, family, and co-workers that own AR-15s in downstate Oregon that are not crazy White Supremacists.

One thing I will and cannot countenance is support for White Nationalist and White Supremacist political formations in the United States of America.

My Grandfather, as did many of his generation fought on the battlefields of Western Europe during WW II, and despite the fact that he was a Lincoln Republican from SE PA, a big fan of General Ike in the '50s, would literally resurrect himself from his grave to see that Neo-Nazis are committing mass murders in the streets of the United States when he is less than 20 Years in his grave.

Honestly, I wonder why I spend time arguing with young folks on the Internet that have so little understanding of American History and the sacrifice that those of my Grandparents Generation did, simply so that we could live free from Fascism and Nazism....

[GoTfan]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

How about, I don't know, restricting access to guns?

How about no.

Typical. Refuse to address the actual problem.

[Middle-aged Europe]

BOTH SIDES DO IT.

BAN ALL POLITICS.

[Grassroots]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

How about, I don't know, restricting access to guns?

How about no.

Typical. Refuse to address the actual problem.

We can address the problem without taking peoples rights away.

[JA]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

How about, I don't know, restricting access to guns?

How about no.

Typical. Refuse to address the actual problem.

We can address the problem without taking peoples rights away.

How do we address the problem?

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

But I thought these shootings shouldn't be politicized?

You are forgetting the overriding rule of thou shall own the libs by whatever means possible.

[T'Chenka]

Just as it is stupid how red avatars are blaming Trump for the El Paso shooting, it would be stupid to blame Elizabeth Warren for this shooting

How about, I don't know, restricting access to guns?

How about no.

Typical. Refuse to address the actual problem.

We can address the problem without taking peoples rights away.

Based on all the facts, evidence and statistics from every other developed country's history of gun legislation and gun violence, your statement is likely false. I know blue avatars hate data used in proper context but that's not the world's problem.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

I like how this shooter is the only one to get their own thread due to a want to "quell misconceptions"

[Yellowhammer]

Just as we should stand up to white nationalist terrorists, we also need to stand up to Satanic left-wing terrorists like this troubled man.

[Yellowhammer]

The right-wing snowflakes really needed this, since "winning on the scoreboard" is the most important thing to them.

On the other side, the left condemns all gun violence equally, regardless of the politics or apolitics of the shooter, and wants to solve it all, including both the <1% of gun deaths from mass shootings and the >99% not from mass shootings.

Every single mass shooting is a political victory for you, since you get to use it as moral justification to take everyone's rights away.

When has it ever been a political victory for us? 20 dead kindergartners couldn't even convince Republicans to pass a background checks bill than 90% of Americans supported, and what happened in the next midterm elections? Oh, Republicans picked up 9 seats anyway.

We advocate for sensible gun reforms because it's the right thing to do, not because it's going to help us win politically.

There is no such thing as “sensible gun control,” all gun control is fundamentally tyrannical and abominable, undermining the inalienable human right to self-defense.