UK General Discussion: 2019. Blackadder goes Brexit.

[CumbrianLefty]

Sam Gyimah, one of the "Tory 21" group of MPs, has defected to the LibDems.

[Helsinkian]

No wonder Corbyn's scared of an election.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1172947113677926401

[CumbrianLefty]

He wants an election on his terms, not Cummings/Johnson's.

Perfectly reasonable, and any other opposition leader worth their salt would do the same.

That poll has Tories and BxP on half the vote - *much* too high.

Another out tonight is pretty much neck and neck.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Boris Johnson should have had someone in his party bring up a no confidence motion in himself to have the election happen.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Boris Johnson should have had someone in his party bring up a no confidence motion in himself to have the election happen.

The rebel alliance could have just voted for confidence in Johnson to forestall that. Which would have been Peak Brexit Era, obviously, but there was a brief shining moment last weekend when people (or, at any rate, Grauniad livebloggers) were seriously discussing the possibility.

[Devout Centrist]

I rather agree. It would be nice to see the Tories blow another double digit polling lead.

[Joe Republic]

Uhh, I’m sorry, with everything that’s been happening, how the f**k are the Tories actually gaining in the polls?

[OSR stands with Israel]

Uhh, I’m sorry, with everything that’s been happening, how the f**k are the Tories actually gaining in the polls?

because risking the country to a UK Hugo Chavez would be far far worse than Hard Brexit. Before you scoff at the comparision, here:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/309065744954580992

https://www.cnsnews.com/video/flashback-corbyn-calls-hugo-chavez-absolute-legend-every-way

https://labourlist.org/2013/03/thank-you-hugo-chavez/

[Blair]

Guys; a Comres poll came out last night with the Tories on 28, and Labour on 27

The lesson of 2017 wasn't that a large poll lead can collapse; but mainly that polling in British General Elections is erratic, and unpredictable.

Uhh, I’m sorry, with everything that’s been happening, how the f**k are the Tories actually gaining in the polls?

because risking the country to a UK Hugo Chavez would be far far worse than Hard Brexit

Have you read operation Yellowhammer? Why do you keep polluting this thread with your hilariously woeful 'takes'.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Guys; a Comres poll came out last night with the Tories on 28, and Labour on 27

The lesson of 2017 wasn't that a large poll lead can collapse; but mainly that polling in British General Elections is erratic, and unpredictable.

Uhh, I’m sorry, with everything that’s been happening, how the f**k are the Tories actually gaining in the polls?

because risking the country to a UK Hugo Chavez would be far far worse than Hard Brexit

Have you read operation Yellowhammer? Why do you keep polluting this thread with your hilariously woeful 'takes'.

Chavez 2.0 is still worse

[Joe Republic]

Uhh, I’m sorry, with everything that’s been happening, how the f**k are the Tories actually gaining in the polls?

because risking the country to a UK Hugo Chavez would be far far worse than Hard Brexit. Before you scoff at the comparision, here:

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/309065744954580992

https://www.cnsnews.com/video/flashback-corbyn-calls-hugo-chavez-absolute-legend-every-way

https://labourlist.org/2013/03/thank-you-hugo-

^ Please stop posting in this thread.  You’re embarrassing the rest of us Americans.

[CumbrianLefty]

Lots of people on the left gave at least qualified support to Chavez, yes.

So what?

You are aware of the circumstances in which he came to power, right. And its also at least debatable how much he can be held responsible for what happened after he died (and his successor happening to be insane, come to that)

[parochial boy]

Thought as far as the Chavez analogy goes - I'd point out the unelected incumbent PM has (probably illegally) suspended the elected parliament; and is now claiming that he will break the law in order to pursue an ideological policy agenda that will lead to an economic collapse and shortages of things like medicine and food

[Blair]

Guys; a Comres poll came out last night with the Tories on 28, and Labour on 27

The lesson of 2017 wasn't that a large poll lead can collapse; but mainly that polling in British General Elections is erratic, and unpredictable.

Uhh, I’m sorry, with everything that’s been happening, how the f**k are the Tories actually gaining in the polls?

because risking the country to a UK Hugo Chavez would be far far worse than Hard Brexit

Have you read operation Yellowhammer? Why do you keep polluting this thread with your hilariously woeful 'takes'.

Chavez 2.0 is still worse

I'm torn between copying and pasting sections of Yellowhammer, and asking how on earth a Corbyn Government would lead to fuel shortages, a lack of fresh food, and poisonous water but you're either posting here in bad faith or just unable to do any form of intellectual thought that I'm not going to bother, and ask you follow JoeRepublic's advice.

[Silent Hunter]

The real concern about Corbyn is possible capital flight, but as he's very unlikely to win a majority and will rely on Lib Dem and/or SNP support, Citibank now think that would be better for the UK than a No Deal Brexit.

(The Telegraph story is behind a paywall, so I won't like it here)

[Sestak]

something something anyone left of Marco rubio is Venezuela

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The real concern about Corbyn is possible capital flight...

No. The real concern about Corbyn is the possibility that he might well be how one says 'Francois Hollande' in English.

[OSR stands with Israel]

something something anyone left of Marco rubio is Venezuela

Corbyn was openly a supporter of Chavez as late as 2013 .

[Tetro Kornbluth]

The real concern about Corbyn is possible capital flight...

No. The real concern about Corbyn is the possibility that he might well be how one says 'Francois Hollande' in English.

He already is that, before becoming PM.

[NOVA Green]

The only Silver Lining from the current insanity within the UK, will be that we will finally see Ireland "A Nation Once Again" including the Six Occupied Counties of the North.

Scotland will leave and join in a trading alliance with Ireland....

Maybe.... maybe Wales might follow (Along with Ireland the land of my Fathers)....

I won't even mention splits from the NE of England proper....

I totally get the resistance against Neo-Liberalism Capitalism from the Project of a "New Europe"....

Without any real political left to actually talk about the experiences of the British Working Classes over the past 40 Years, where Tony Blair somehow becomes a "Left Wing Pundit PM" while he flushes the interests of the British Working Class down the toilet....

British squadidies once against fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan, just like they did before...

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/squaddie

Do they owe us a living?   ---- of course they effing do....

Crass----

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srkm5oWFwiQ

Subhumans--- Cradle to the Grave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy5FMfTqf5k


The Urban Ghettos of the UK can will likely explode as they did in the '80s in places like Briston and Liverpool, and Council Estates across the Nation within the era of Brext.

Now we have the myth of the "Polish Plumbers" that are "stealing our jobs", instead of Blacks ans Asians, but it is still an ugly mess.

Was just at a Sci-Fi convention, where a leading British actor talked about growing up in Salford...

This was a community in one of the worst Housing estates in England, that would be essentially equivalent to some of the worst housing projects in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salford

youtube.com/watch?v=twnPosztKys&t=928s

Tories, Liberal Dems, and Labour have abandoned these communities, just as have Democrats and Republicans within the United States....

Where are political leaders in the UK that will actually challenge and take action, where the people of the North have no faith when it comes to politicians in the South on core issues?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

The real concern about Corbyn is possible capital flight...

No. The real concern about Corbyn is the possibility that he might well be how one says 'Francois Hollande' in English.

damn you think he'll bang top celebrities in Downing Street?

[Serenity Now]

The real concern about Corbyn is possible capital flight...

No. The real concern about Corbyn is the possibility that he might well be how one says 'Francois Hollande' in English.

As in the risk that he'll fail to deliver and electoral politics will reconfigure along similar lines to the ideologies of En Marche and the Front National/National Rally ie liberalism vs (ethno) nationalism? It is a worry (so much so I'd prefer you meant what CrabCake said).

[Silent Hunter]

He's not exactly delivered in opposition...

[CumbrianLefty]

The real concern about Corbyn is possible capital flight...

No. The real concern about Corbyn is the possibility that he might well be how one says 'Francois Hollande' in English.

As in the risk that he'll fail to deliver and electoral politics will reconfigure along similar lines to the ideologies of En Marche and the Front National/National Rally ie liberalism vs (ethno) nationalism? It is a worry (so much so I'd prefer you meant what CrabCake said).

Whatever else you say about him, I don't think he is the sort to run away from the slightest murmurs of opposition in the way Flanby did. Admittedly, there is more to "delivering" that just that however.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Today's talks between Jean-Claude Juncker and Boris Johnson in Luxembourg apparently didn't go well. Afterwards, Johnson decided to skip a joint press conference with Luxembourg's prime minister.