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« on: July 14, 2019, 03:35:40 PM »

By knowing the difference between an ICE warrant and a real warrant, he was able to save two undocumented immigrants from ICE.


HUGE FF!

KNOW YOUR RIGHTS. The ICE warrant on the left DOES NOT allow ICE agents to search your premises without permission. It is not signed by a judge and is not a warrant that allows for search under the Fourth Amendment.

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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 03:39:41 PM »

How does harboring illegals make you a FF? At best, it is neither good nor bad.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2019, 07:53:17 PM »

A literal freedom fighter!
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2019, 07:56:41 PM »

HP. Traitor.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2019, 08:00:33 PM »

Trump's wall is stupid and the detention centers are obviously awful but I do not have a problem with illegals being deported by law enforcement. Not going to go all the way and call this guy a horrible person, though, especially since he was correct legally.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2019, 08:01:46 PM »


The Fourth Amendment = treason?
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2019, 08:03:39 PM »

It may or may not be a lawful warrant.  I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant, although an Arrest Warrant allows for a search incidental to arrest.

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.  Spare me that.  Because the person whose name is on that Warrant has no right to be in the United States.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2019, 08:17:31 PM »

It may or may not be a lawful warrant.  I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant, although an Arrest Warrant allows for a search incidental to arrest.

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.  Spare me that.  Because the person whose name is on that Warrant has no right to be in the United States.

And ICE had no right to search his car.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2019, 08:19:11 PM »

I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant
Do you understand that a letter from ICE, not signed by a judge, is neither of those things?

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.
Pointing out that law enforcement should have to abide by the law makes one not a law-abiding citizen? Huh
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2019, 08:50:44 PM »

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.

Sure. Law does not dictate morality.
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2019, 08:55:50 PM »

It may or may not be a lawful warrant.  I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant, although an Arrest Warrant allows for a search incidental to arrest.

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.  Spare me that.  Because the person whose name is on that Warrant has no right to be in the United States.

And ICE had no right to search his car.

Did that man have the right to be in the United States?

That's a "Yes" or a "No".

"Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay."
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2019, 08:56:32 PM »

It may or may not be a lawful warrant.  I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant, although an Arrest Warrant allows for a search incidental to arrest.

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.  Spare me that.  Because the person whose name is on that Warrant has no right to be in the United States.

And ICE had no right to search his car.

Did that man have the right to be in the United States?

That's a "Yes" or a "No".

"Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay."

Yes, he's a US citizen.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2019, 08:57:48 PM »

Anyone who uses their constitutional rights to cuck the big government is a FF.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2019, 08:58:25 PM »

It may or may not be a lawful warrant.  I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant, although an Arrest Warrant allows for a search incidental to arrest.

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.  Spare me that.  Because the person whose name is on that Warrant has no right to be in the United States.

And ICE had no right to search his car.

Did that man have the right to be in the United States?

That's a "Yes" or a "No".

"Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay."

Yes, he's a US citizen.


What about the two (2) people he's harboring; do they have the right to be here?
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2019, 08:59:08 PM »


Going against our constitution is being a traitor. The Ice Officer must be fired for lying and shirking his duties.
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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2019, 08:59:43 PM »

It may or may not be a lawful warrant.  I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant, although an Arrest Warrant allows for a search incidental to arrest.

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.  Spare me that.  Because the person whose name is on that Warrant has no right to be in the United States.

And ICE had no right to search his car.

Did that man have the right to be in the United States?

That's a "Yes" or a "No".

"Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay."
Why do you bother responding to these things if you’re not even going to bother reading any of the details of the story?
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2019, 09:01:32 PM »

BUT WE CLEARLY NEEDED TO ARREST THESE ILLEGALS NOW.

Illegal immigration is generally a victimless crime and considering we let pedos go if the search was illegal I am pretty sure we can let people who committed almost no harm to another person go.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2019, 09:05:51 PM »


Going against our constitution is being a traitor. The Ice Officer must be fired for lying and shirking his duties.

ICE was entitled to do what they did. What they would not be allowed to do is force their way in and drag people out. Obviously, the goal is for the driver to voluntarily open the door after being presented with the DHS order.
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2019, 09:12:36 PM »

It may or may not be a lawful warrant.  I understand the difference between an Arrest Warrant and a Search Warrant, although an Arrest Warrant allows for a search incidental to arrest.

But if you're celebrating this, please don't tell me you're a law-abiding citizen at heart.  Spare me that.  Because the person whose name is on that Warrant has no right to be in the United States.

And ICE had no right to search his car.

Did that man have the right to be in the United States?

That's a "Yes" or a "No".

"Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay."

Yes, he's a US citizen.


What about the two (2) people he's harboring; do they have the right to be here?

Yes
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2019, 09:55:45 PM »

Total FF. Even if ICE weren't a modern-day Nazi Gestapo, all authority must be challenged.
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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2019, 10:23:49 PM »

Total FF. Even if ICE weren't a modern-day Nazi Gestapo, all authority must be challenged.

What about the IRS?
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2019, 10:24:36 PM »

Total FF. Even if ICE weren't a modern-day Nazi Gestapo, all authority must be challenged.

What about the IRS?

Abolish the IRS and line up the IRS agents at the border.
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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2019, 10:32:16 PM »
« Edited: July 14, 2019, 11:08:16 PM by pbrower2a »

Freedom -fighter as a defender of the Fourth Amendment in rejecting an invalid warrant for arrest.

An arrest or search-and-seizure warrant must be signed by a judge who as a rule concurs that probable cause for prosecution, such as an indictment or sworn testimony or evidence, To be sure, a judge's signature may be no better than the competence of the Grand Jury that issues an indictment or the integrity of the police officers or prosecuting attorney. Well, that will be determined in a court of law, will it not?

A judge signing a warrant is a formality -- but not a formality for a local law-enforcement official such as a chief of police. Were I a judge I would be lenient on signing an arrest or seizure warrant. In a drug case that would be that activity looks like drug activity. A government bureaucrat on claiming that someone is an illegal alien? Probably not good enough.

    
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2019, 10:34:59 PM »

An arrest or search-and-seizure warrant must be signed by a judge who as a rule concurs that probable cause for prosecution, such as an indictment or sworn testimony or evidence, To be sure, a judge's signature may be no better than the competence of the Grand Jury that issues an indictment or the integrity of the police officers or prosecuting attorney. Well, that will be determined in a court of law, will it not?

A judge signing a warrant is a formality -- but not a formality for a local law-enforcement official such as a chief of police. Were I a judge I would be lenient on signing an arrest or seizure warrant. In a drug case that would be that activity looks like drug activity. A government bureaucrat on claiming that someone is an illegal alien? Probably not good enough.

    

What is a drug dealer doing wrong that an illegal immigrant isn't?
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« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2019, 10:49:05 PM »

I'm not letting any cop search anything of mine without a legitimate warrant I don't care what they're looking for.

The man in the video is an FF for knowing his rights and not consenting to a search when he doesn't have to. Never consent to a search if you don't have to, even if you have done nothing wrong.
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