Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v2

[ProudModerate2]

Pssst: They’re going to call Biden a commie socialist too, and they’ll get him to attack members of his own party too. They called f**king Obamacare socialist!

Of course they are, but I'm repeating myself. This has already been discussed (at least twice), and I obviously admitted to the fact that they will do so. BUT, Bernie and Warren (and their policy proposals) will be labeled as such, at a rate 2 or 3 times worse than Biden. If Obamacare (or any future Biden amendments supporting it) were called "socialist" by the right, most easily will Bernie/Warren proposals be labeled as communist (farther left).

... And if Trump’s failures will overshadow Biden’s constant errors, surely they’ll do the same for Warren and Bernie’s issues.

Pssst ...I agree with you. But I was not the one to first bring-up all the "dramatic faults" of Biden during a debate with trump. It was RFKFan68. So I'm sure RFKFan68 will appreciate your input, and your agreement that Warren/Bernie also have "issues" or obstacles of their own.

[Rookie Yinzer]

I could easily see Biden leading the national polls until IA and NH, loses both to Warren and then Warren ends up winning the nomination relatively comfortably. It's not worth freaking out all that much over polls so early, while Trump did lead in early polls another candidate could still have won outright with a change in February and Trump wasn't safe from a brokered convention until late April-early May. Plenty of frontrunners have gone on to lose and Biden's odds of winning are significant but not higher than 50% imo.

Trump also had winner take all contests. He would have been denied a majority otherwise I think and the GOP would have chosen someone else. Biden has the clearest path but it can collapse quickly.

Biden is going to win South Carolina no matter what, and ride that comeback narrative straight into Super Tuesday.

He will win South Carolina. Still not convinced he will be as potent with black voters as Hillary was and there are other parts of Hillary’s 2016 coalition that are more partial to Warren. We’ll see!

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Pssst: They’re going to call Biden a commie socialist too, and they’ll get him to attack members of his own party too. They called f**king Obamacare socialist!

Of course they are, but I'm repeating myself. This has already been discussed (at least twice), and I obviously admitted to the fact that they will do so. BUT, Bernie and Warren (and their policy proposals) will be labeled as such, at a rate 2 or 3 times worse than Biden. If Obamacare (or any future Biden amendments supporting it) were called "socialist" by the right, most easily will Bernie/Warren proposals be labeled as communist (farther left).

They will label literally anything Biden does as "communist."  I don't expect single-payer to happen any time soon but if you oppose single-payer because you think Republicans will be less hostile towards a public option or multi-payer system, then you are delusional.

[Pericles]

I could easily see Biden leading the national polls until IA and NH, loses both to Warren and then Warren ends up winning the nomination relatively comfortably. It's not worth freaking out all that much over polls so early, while Trump did lead in early polls another candidate could still have won outright with a change in February and Trump wasn't safe from a brokered convention until late April-early May. Plenty of frontrunners have gone on to lose and Biden's odds of winning are significant but not higher than 50% imo.

Trump also had winner take all contests. He would have been denied a majority otherwise I think and the GOP would have chosen someone else. Biden has the clearest path but it can collapse quickly.

Biden is going to win South Carolina no matter what, and ride that comeback narrative straight into Super Tuesday.

If Biden underperforms expectations margin-wise it'll blunt that momentum and losing 3 early states would be damaging.

[ProudModerate2]

Pssst: They’re going to call Biden a commie socialist too, and they’ll get him to attack members of his own party too. They called f**king Obamacare socialist!

Of course they are, but I'm repeating myself. This has already been discussed (at least twice), and I obviously admitted to the fact that they will do so. BUT, Bernie and Warren (and their policy proposals) will be labeled as such, at a rate 2 or 3 times worse than Biden. If Obamacare (or any future Biden amendments supporting it) were called "socialist" by the right, most easily will Bernie/Warren proposals be labeled as communist (farther left).

They will label literally anything Biden does as "communist."  I don't expect single-payer to happen any time soon but if you oppose single-payer because you think Republicans will be less hostile towards a public option or multi-payer system, then you are delusional.

Fine. Biden will be labeled as "communist." But then Warren or Bernie proposals are "Super Communist." All I'm saying is that Warren/Bernie will be 2 to 3 times more vulnerable to any socialist/communist propaganda from the right, compared to Biden.

[Adam Griffin]

I could easily see Biden leading the national polls until IA and NH, loses both to Warren and then Warren ends up winning the nomination relatively comfortably. It's not worth freaking out all that much over polls so early, while Trump did lead in early polls another candidate could still have won outright with a change in February and Trump wasn't safe from a brokered convention until late April-early May. Plenty of frontrunners have gone on to lose and Biden's odds of winning are significant but not higher than 50% imo.

Trump also had winner take all contests. He would have been denied a majority otherwise I think and the GOP would have chosen someone else. Biden has the clearest path but it can collapse quickly.

Biden is going to win South Carolina no matter what, and ride that comeback narrative straight into Super Tuesday.

He will win South Carolina. Still not convinced he will be as potent with black voters as Hillary was and there are other parts of Hillary’s 2016 coalition that are more partial to Warren. We’ll see!

He almost certainly won't be in terms of percentage won - even when adjusted for the crowded 2020 field - but at the same time and given the 15% threshold required to secure delegates, he could very well win more delegates in the South than Clinton (if there are still several candidates in the race at that time). With the current top 5 contenders all still being in, it's not unlikely at all that he'd secure 90-100% of the delegates out of several Southern states (and that - just like in 2008 and 2016 - will be the ball game).

In the past, "he who won the South won the Presidency". These days, it's more along the lines of "he/she who wins the South wins the Democratic nomination".

[SN2903]

SN wants Biden to collapse so Trump can beat Warren. Unless, his support collapses in SC, which I stated earlier, WWC and blacks are skeptical of Warren and Buttigieg, for SSM; as a result, Biden wont lose.

Also, IA Kernal polls show Biden consistently ahead

Biden will collapse

[Crumpets]

He's fallen and he can't get up!

[😥]

No. He will be nominee and he is the best potential Dem nominee

[eric82oslo]

It's more like Dead Joe or Coma Joe than Sleepy Joe right now.

[GP270watch]

 He might blow it for us if he's the nominee and we can't afford to blow it. His gaffes and mental lapses are not excusable when we have other candidates who are so sharp and are with the heart of the Democratic base. We need to start worrying about the base before we demoralize them forever. When you lose fighting for what you believe in you keep fighting, when you lose with a compromise that you were never passionate about, you tune out.

[PRESIDENT STANTON]

Warren, might be loaded up with endless policy pieces, but the potential of her Pocahontas nick-name is her Achilles heal! She has a credibility gap, while not as bad as Trump’s will create problems down the road, & judging from past experiences, Donald Trump will be her worst nightmare! Sanders isn’t going to poll well during primaries, being a closet socialist is an opening that Trump will exploit endlessly! As for Biden, he’s an accident waiting to happen & Trump is life licking his chops at the prospect of going toe to toe with Biden! & his age will catch up with him! Biden is great in settings which are friendly to him! Trump will eat him up in the debates! Look at his performances in the previous 2 debates, Kamala Harris tore strips off him in the first encounter & he barely held on in the 2nd one & those were Democratic debates! Trump will just chew him up & spit him out! The only thing that Biden has going for him, is that he’s likeable & compared to Trump, he’s a calming balm!

[ProudModerate2]

He might blow it for us if he's the nominee ...

Did you ever think that maybe many of us are concerned that other Dem candidates "might blow it for us" if they are the nominee.

... We need to start worrying about the base before we demoralize them forever.

Ummmm ... according to the polls, "the base" is currently OK and supportive of Biden.

[GP270watch]

He might blow it for us if he's the nominee ...

Did you ever think that maybe many of us are concerned that other Dem candidates "might blow it for us" if they are the nominee.

... We need to start worrying about the base before we demoralize them forever.

Ummmm ... according to the polls, "the base" is currently OK and supportive of Biden.

 But those other candidates are not constantly embarrassing themselves and stepping all over their own message of supposed stability and electoral strength.

 Biden has high name ID but among the grassroots and people who are signaling where the Democratic party will be in the future, he is doing terrible.

[GeneralMacArthur]

He might blow it for us if he's the nominee ...

Did you ever think that maybe many of us are concerned that other Dem candidates "might blow it for us" if they are the nominee.

... We need to start worrying about the base before we demoralize them forever.

Ummmm ... according to the polls, "the base" is currently OK and supportive of Biden.

 But those other candidates are not constantly embarrassing themselves and stepping all over their own message of supposed stability and electoral strength.

 Biden has high name ID but among the grassroots and people who are signaling where the Democratic party will be in the future, he is doing terrible.

The base may not notice it but Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and to an extent Kamala Harris all embarrass themselves and step over their own message when they endorse policies with sub-zero support such as

• eliminating the entire health insurance industry
• using taxpayer money to forgive all student loan debt
• reparations
• spending absurd amounts of money on a "Green New Deal"
• raising middle class taxes by double-digit amounts

I'd feel much more comfortable with Biden stuttering during a debate with Trump than Elizabeth Warren flailing around trying to defend reparations policy against Trump.

[eric82oslo]

UBI is the answer to all of our worries. With UBI people would once again be able to afford paying back their student loans, and they wouldn't have to worry so much about one day getting sick or becoming seriously ill. It would create a whole new and healthier economy for everyone.

[Mr. Smith]

Pssst: They’re going to call Biden a commie socialist too, and they’ll get him to attack members of his own party too. They called f**king Obamacare socialist!

Of course they are, but I'm repeating myself. This has already been discussed (at least twice), and I obviously admitted to the fact that they will do so. BUT, Bernie and Warren (and their policy proposals) will be labeled as such, at a rate 2 or 3 times worse than Biden. If Obamacare (or any future Biden amendments supporting it) were called "socialist" by the right, most easily will Bernie/Warren proposals be labeled as communist (farther left).

They will label literally anything Biden does as "communist."  I don't expect single-payer to happen any time soon but if you oppose single-payer because you think Republicans will be less hostile towards a public option or multi-payer system, then you are delusional.

Fine. Biden will be labeled as "communist." But then Warren or Bernie proposals are "Super Communist." All I'm saying is that Warren/Bernie will be 2 to 3 times more vulnerable to any socialist/communist propaganda from the right, compared to Biden.

They also won't get overly defensive like c&*ks about it and make a point, which in turn can indeed flip over mods and indies, especially if Trump has nothing but "muh socialist" to use.

And of course hyper increased turnout among youth voters that "socialism" as a feature, not a bug must be considered.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Student loan discharges are for people who have long term physical or mental impairment, and for diabled seniors as well. It is meant as a last resort

[NeverAgainsSock]

Bernie-mentum =/= Biden-falling.

One small sample sized poll doesn't mean Biden has lost the race. There will be a shake up but I doubt it's now.

[Donerail]

whom among us does not fondly remember the President Myboss administration

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1166746186415390720

[Bidenworth2020]

whom among us does not fondly remember the President Myboss administration

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1166746186415390720

Biden obviously is not a great orator, but these "gaffes" keep getting becoming more and more of just people criticizing anything Biden says that is not perfect in terms of wording and cadence. For example, in this clip, I am almost certain that Biden just decided to go with saying "my boss" instead of "President Obama" because it seemed more appropriate.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Biden is not collapsing.  And he's still the frontrunner.

It's great to see Kamala Harris's campaign turn into an EPIC FAIL!

[Donerail]

you could have a point if he didn't also call him "raprock obama" today

[S019]

I think that a big deal is being made out of gaffes that are not really all that significant. These are not damaging gaffes, they are just occasional slips of the tongue, and calling Obama "his boss" is not a big deal

[S019]

No, he's still the favorite in the primary