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« Reply #475 on: August 08, 2019, 09:29:23 PM »

Yes.

The OP knows it is smart and effective and is concern trolling. The majority of Americans think Trump is a bigot and his worst polling day of his presidency came after his response to Charlottesville.

Trump's overt racism is an anchor on his presidency. It is the biggest reason why his approval ratings are crap even with a solid economy.

It would be political malpractice not to go after him on this.

LOL the majority of Americans do not think Trump is a racist. I have seen polls that show that. It went from Trump supporters are deplorables and now they are racists.
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« Reply #476 on: August 08, 2019, 09:29:36 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2019, 09:54:55 PM by Speaker YE »

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

Now you are saying it! You say "the nations they come from?"
What "nations do they come from?" Three of them were born in the US! Answer this. Be specific ... tell me the actual outside nation.

And one can make racist statements without your "superior to others" specificity. So stop with your "if it doesn't fit the Webster Dictionary definition, then you are not a racist" hogwash.
Good Lord, Fox has done a number in your head.
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« Reply #477 on: August 08, 2019, 09:31:37 PM »

Yes, and he's a much better messenger than Hillary was. The people on the fence about Trump need to do some introspection and realize how deplorable Trump is, and Biden will be much more effective at nudging them in the right direction.
Yeah. Stop dragging Hillary’s name through the mud to lift Biden up. Hillary has to deal with a complicit media and a complacent electorate who kept saying it wouldn’t be that bad. Biden has much more tangible things Trump has actually done as President to work with.
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« Reply #478 on: August 08, 2019, 09:32:18 PM »

No. Lecturing the American public about racism is not a good electoral strategy. As it is we already get lectured by every television show, every movie, every commercial, every major newspaper, every university professor, and most mainline churches about this topic and yet Trump was still elected. It's honestly mind boggling to me that anyone thinks the reason Trump won is because people just weren't scolded ENOUGH.
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« Reply #479 on: August 08, 2019, 09:32:32 PM »

I have no reason to think Trump is a racist--definitely not in the Bull Connor or David Duke sense.  Whether he is aiding white nationalism (or supremacy, as Beto and Warren are calling it)?  I'm not sure.
Are you living in an alternate reality?
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« Reply #480 on: August 08, 2019, 09:35:22 PM »

This is perfect bait for Kamala & Cory wow, can't let this slide.
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« Reply #481 on: August 08, 2019, 09:37:42 PM »

It’s just a gaffe, but imagine if Orange man had said this

He seems to say a lot of racist things that get written off as “gaffes”
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« Reply #482 on: August 08, 2019, 09:40:52 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2019, 09:59:13 PM by Speaker YE »

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

Now you are saying it! You say "the nations they come from?"
What "nations do they come from?" Three of them were born in the US! Answer this. Be specific ... tell me the actual outside nation.

And one can make racist statements without your "superior to others" specificity. So stop with your "if it doesn't fit the Webster Dictionary definition, then you are not a racist" hogwash.
Good Lord, Fox has done a number in your head.
The fact you say you are a moderate is such a joke. Your hatred of Trump is sad and pathetic. Trump derangement syndrome is real.
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« Reply #483 on: August 08, 2019, 09:46:47 PM »

I have no reason to think Trump is a racist--definitely not in the Bull Connor or David Duke sense.  Whether he is aiding white nationalism (or supremacy, as Beto and Warren are calling it)?  I'm not sure.
Are you living in an alternate reality?

It's comments like yours--which suggest that I must support you 100% of the time on everything you say--which is why the Democrats will have a difficult time holding it together and winning.  You should look at the big picture.
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« Reply #484 on: August 08, 2019, 09:50:57 PM »
« Edited: August 08, 2019, 09:58:45 PM by Speaker YE »

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

Now you are saying it! You say "the nations they come from?"
What "nations do they come from?" Three of them were born in the US! Answer this. Be specific ... tell me the actual outside nation.

And one can make racist statements without your "superior to others" specificity. So stop with your "if it doesn't fit the Webster Dictionary definition, then you are not a racist" hogwash.
Good Lord, Fox has done a number in your head.

The fact you say you are a moderate is such a joke. Your hatred of Trump is sad and pathetic.

LOL.
Is that your answer? So now you are going to deflect from my question, and just call me names like a seven-year old? Answer the question.

The fact of the matter is that trump made a racist remark, and you went and did the exact same thing. Even when I made it crystal clear what trump did was wrong (and why), for some bizarre reason, you would go and make the same racist remark. Why would you do that? Seriously!
I'm starting to believe that there are many people in our society, that don't understand that their remarks are racist and possibly saying them by mistake (out of ignorance).
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« Reply #485 on: August 08, 2019, 10:01:26 PM »

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

Now you are saying it! You say "the nations they come from?"
What "nations do they come from?" Three of them were born in the US! Answer this. Be specific ... tell me the actual outside nation.

And one can make racist statements without your "superior to others" specificity. So stop with your "if it doesn't fit the Webster Dictionary definition, then you are not a racist" hogwash.
Good Lord, Fox has done a number in your head.

The fact you say you are a moderate is such a joke. Your hatred of Trump is sad and pathetic.

LOL.
Is that your answer? So now you are going to deflect from my question, and just call me names like a seven-year old? Answer the question.

The fact of the matter is that trump made a racist remark, and you went and did the exact same thing. Even when I made it crystal clear what trump did was wrong (and why), for some bizarre reason, you would go and make the same racist remark. Why would you do that? Seriously!
I'm starting to believe that there are many people in our society, that don't understand that their remarks are racist and possibly saying them by mistake (out of ignorance).
I'm the child? I am not the one using profanity on a political forum online to make their point. No the problem in this country is that racism is thrown out too frequently so when someone ACTUALLY says something racist it doesn't get the attention it deserves because people are so sick of hearing the racist charge thrown out everywhere. It's true that 3 of them were born in the United States but I do believe what Trump was trying to say was that they should leave the country if they are not happy with it he just worded it poorly. The FACT is 99% of the people that voted for Trump are not racist but good, hard working people, many who are former democrats that are upset with the status quo. They are not awful people. Until the democrats understand this they will not win another presidential election.
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« Reply #486 on: August 08, 2019, 10:03:51 PM »

He's not going as far as other candidates because he has his own racist past, he is actively avoiding calling him a white nationalist.
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« Reply #487 on: August 08, 2019, 10:39:22 PM »

This stuff can no longer be ignored he's unfit for office.




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« Reply #488 on: August 08, 2019, 11:07:29 PM »

Maybe OP isn’t the best judge on what is and isn’t racist considering he just repeated the racist “go back” statement Trump made despite a previous poster explaining why it is racist
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« Reply #489 on: August 09, 2019, 12:09:07 AM »

This stuff can no longer be ignored he's unfit for office.






To be fair no-one cares about Theresa May.
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« Reply #490 on: August 09, 2019, 12:18:32 AM »

This stuff can no longer be ignored he's unfit for office.






Liberals eviscerate Trump for this (and rightly so) whereas Biden’s just a lovable gaffe machine.
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« Reply #491 on: August 09, 2019, 12:33:27 AM »

Confusing her with a deceased person who left office nearly 30 years ago is concerning. People should care if a potential President is this confused.
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« Reply #492 on: August 09, 2019, 12:35:15 AM »

Confusing her with a deceased person who left office nearly 30 years ago is concerning. People should care if a potential President is this confused.
But why isn't he 50 points ahead??
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« Reply #493 on: August 09, 2019, 01:06:45 AM »

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

Now you are saying it! You say "the nations they come from?"
What "nations do they come from?" Three of them were born in the US! Answer this. Be specific ... tell me the actual outside nation.

And one can make racist statements without your "superior to others" specificity. So stop with your "if it doesn't fit the Webster Dictionary definition, then you are not a racist" hogwash.
Good Lord, Fox has done a number in your head.

The fact you say you are a moderate is such a joke. Your hatred of Trump is sad and pathetic.

LOL.
Is that your answer? So now you are going to deflect from my question, and just call me names like a seven-year old? Answer the question.

The fact of the matter is that trump made a racist remark, and you went and did the exact same thing. Even when I made it crystal clear what trump did was wrong (and why), for some bizarre reason, you would go and make the same racist remark. Why would you do that? Seriously!
I'm starting to believe that there are many people in our society, that don't understand that their remarks are racist and possibly saying them by mistake (out of ignorance).
I'm the child? I am not the one using profanity on a political forum online to make their point. No the problem in this country is that racism is thrown out too frequently so when someone ACTUALLY says something racist it doesn't get the attention it deserves because people are so sick of hearing the racist charge thrown out everywhere. It's true that 3 of them were born in the United States but I do believe what Trump was trying to say was that they should leave the country if they are not happy with it he just worded it poorly. The FACT is 99% of the people that voted for Trump are not racist but good, hard working people, many who are former democrats that are upset with the status quo. They are not awful people. Until the democrats understand this they will not win another presidential election.

It would bet that a good chunk of Southerners who voted for Trump were racists, especially in states like Mississippi and Alabama. Also the term “racism” is used not often enough, in my opinion. Also yes, Trump’s statements about the Congresswomen were racist. You just need to be loss hostile to political correctness and the establishment. Lastly, you seem to forget that a sizable chunk of Republicans, who are good people, decided to vote for Hillary Clinton.
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« Reply #494 on: August 09, 2019, 02:38:41 AM »

I'm the child? I am not the one using profanity on a political forum online to make their point. No the problem in this country is that racism is thrown out too frequently so when someone ACTUALLY says something racist it doesn't get the attention it deserves because people are so sick of hearing the racist charge thrown out everywhere. It's true that 3 of them were born in the United States but I do believe what Trump was trying to say was that they should leave the country if they are not happy with it he just worded it poorly. The FACT is 99% of the people that voted for Trump are not racist but good, hard working people, many who are former democrats that are upset with the status quo. They are not awful people. Until the democrats understand this they will not win another presidential election.

I'm sorry I used the f-word. The way I used it, was not directed at you, but was to emphasize the question I was asking you. It just angered me to see and read that you said almost exactly what trump tweeted.

But in your recent post above, all I see is more deflection. What you are repeating are once again talking points parroted by the GOP and right-leaning news sites (Fox, etc).
1.)  "... people are so sick of hearing the racist charge thrown out everywhere."
People throw-out the "charge," when it's relevant. I promise you that if we had a Rep president like McCain or Romney, that you would absolutely not see the accusation at all (or rarely). The fact is that this president is constantly throwing insensitive racial/racist remarks.

Remember when Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) flipped Republicans out by reading Trump’s racist statements and positions on the House floor (on or about July 16th)? Let me give you his exact quote and the list of what he deemed as racist:
"Birtherism is racist. Saying a Mexican judge can’t be fair because of his heritage is racist. Saying immigrants from Mexico are rapists is racist. Saying there were good people on both sides in Charlottesville is racist. Calling African countries sh*thole countries is racist, and telling four members of this body to go home is racist.”
All that is 100% correct!

2.) "... I do believe what Trump was trying to say was that they should leave the country if they are not happy with it he just worded it poorly."
You and others are constantly using this as an excuse for trump on everything "he just worded it poorly," or "he really didn't mean it that way." Bull.
The fact is that the "go back to your country" racist statement has been used almost forever in this country. It is constantly used towards immigrants and especially towards people of color. No one just "poorly uses" the words "go back" and "where you came from." They are intentional and deliberate to hurl hate towards others on a racial/nationality bases.

3.) "...The FACT is 99% of the people that voted for Trump are not racist ..."
They are not all racist, but the hell with it being just 1% that are. You are kidding yourself if you truly think it's this low.
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« Reply #495 on: August 09, 2019, 02:48:07 AM »

It is a legitimate argument, and even if you don't think Trump is racist and encouraging racism (unlike a majority of Americans) it's a stretch to then presume Biden is insulting Trump voters. If he were to make statements like the 'basket of deplorables' then that could be unwise. Unless you think pointing out character issues in a candidate insults anyone who ever considered backing that candidate (which is a ridiculous view of course, and it goes against established political logic and would for instance make Trump dumb for attacking Hillary so much when he wasn't dumb there), this is a fine point for Biden and the Democrats to make.

You didn't say why it is smart politically to make it.

Why does any politician attack any opponent? Why did Donald Trump make such an 'extreme' attack that Hillary Clinton was a crook who should be locked up? Surely that's insulting not just her, but everyone who ever considered voting for her, and so would backfire on him? Your argument is ridiculous.

Trump's racism is legitimate to point out and a legitimate political weakness, Biden will lose no votes by pointing out Trump is a racist and highlighting this issue is a net winner for Biden-the facts and the public image are not on Trump's side here.

What has Trump said that is racist? Give me specifics.  Love it or leave it is not racist. How come Trump has been a public figure for decades yet him being a racist never came up till he ran for president? How come people who know him personally say he is not a racist? Giving dog whistles is not racism. Bill Clinton did that too and no one has ever accused him of being a racist.

Have you been living under a rock for the last 4 years, or what?
Let's just concentrate on your "Love it or leave it, is not racist" comment in your post. And guess what ... THAT'S NOT WHAT HE SAID.

This is a huge GOP deflection statement ("love it or leave it"), that holds zero water. You are either intentionally ignoring trump's true statement and using the "official GOP talking point," or all that you rely on for you daily news is Faux, and you really don't know the truth.
Here is what trump ACTUALLY Tweeted ...
"... go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came .."

He said this towards four Democratic congresswomen (all women of color), three of whom were born in the U.S.  So I ask you, where are these American citizens, suppose to "go back" to "from which they came"? Which country exactly do you think trump meant?
Because their skin is not white, I guess the Orange Bigot means that they should go back to where their parents, grandparents, or great-grandparents were born.
Do you think that is racist statement? (The answer is obvious, if you take-off the GOP horse-blinders.)

He was making a point that the nations they come from don't have nearly the opportunity the United states has and instead of constantly pointing out every negative thing about the country maybe they should be grateful for the country they are in.  Was it poorly worded? Yes. No I don't think it's racist. Is it blunt? Yes. Racism is the belief that ones own race is superior to others. Trump has never said he believes white people are superior to other races.

Now you are saying it! You say "the nations they come from?"
What "nations do they come from?" Three of them were born in the US! Answer this. Be specific ... tell me the actual outside nation.

And one can make racist statements without your "superior to others" specificity. So stop with your "if it doesn't fit the Webster Dictionary definition, then you are not a racist" hogwash.
Good Lord, Fox has done a number in your head.

The fact you say you are a moderate is such a joke. Your hatred of Trump is sad and pathetic.

LOL.
Is that your answer? So now you are going to deflect from my question, and just call me names like a seven-year old? Answer the question.

The fact of the matter is that trump made a racist remark, and you went and did the exact same thing. Even when I made it crystal clear what trump did was wrong (and why), for some bizarre reason, you would go and make the same racist remark. Why would you do that? Seriously!
I'm starting to believe that there are many people in our society, that don't understand that their remarks are racist and possibly saying them by mistake (out of ignorance).
I'm the child? I am not the one using profanity on a political forum online to make their point. No the problem in this country is that racism is thrown out too frequently so when someone ACTUALLY says something racist it doesn't get the attention it deserves because people are so sick of hearing the racist charge thrown out everywhere. It's true that 3 of them were born in the United States but I do believe what Trump was trying to say was that they should leave the country if they are not happy with it he just worded it poorly. The FACT is 99% of the people that voted for Trump are not racist but good, hard working people, many who are former democrats that are upset with the status quo. They are not awful people. Until the democrats understand this they will not win another presidential election.

It would bet that a good chunk of Southerners who voted for Trump were racists, especially in states like Mississippi and Alabama. Also the term “racism” is used not often enough, in my opinion.

lol wut?

Social science departments at every university in the country teach that all white people are racist by default.

I fail to see how the word racist could be used any more than it already is

and it's always used against right-wingers. How are you a right-winger and think this?
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« Reply #496 on: August 09, 2019, 02:49:43 AM »

Confusing her with a deceased person who left office nearly 30 years ago is concerning. People should care if a potential President is this confused.

Are you kidding?
I constantly get names mixed-up. It comes with age.
Not only because of normal mental decline (in most but not all people), but because you have existed on this planet for awhile, and you get all the names confused in your head.
Biden has been in politics forever. He remembers Thatcher and is just confusing her with the other female PM of the UK.
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« Reply #497 on: August 09, 2019, 02:57:10 AM »

Confusing her with a deceased person who left office nearly 30 years ago is concerning. People should care if a potential President is this confused.

Are you kidding?
I constantly get names mixed-up. It comes with age.
Not only because of normal mental decline (in most but not all people), but because you have existed on this planet for awhile, and you get all the names confused in your head.
Biden has been in politics forever. He remembers Thatcher and is just confusing her with the other female PM of the UK.

Cool. Maybe he shouldn’t be the President of the United States.
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« Reply #498 on: August 09, 2019, 03:04:15 AM »

I'm the child? I am not the one using profanity on a political forum online to make their point. No the problem in this country is that racism is thrown out too frequently so when someone ACTUALLY says something racist it doesn't get the attention it deserves because people are so sick of hearing the racist charge thrown out everywhere. It's true that 3 of them were born in the United States but I do believe what Trump was trying to say was that they should leave the country if they are not happy with it he just worded it poorly. The FACT is 99% of the people that voted for Trump are not racist but good, hard working people, many who are former democrats that are upset with the status quo. They are not awful people. Until the democrats understand this they will not win another presidential election.

It would bet that a good chunk of Southerners who voted for Trump were racists, especially in states like Mississippi and Alabama. Also the term “racism” is used not often enough, in my opinion.

lol wut?
Social science departments at every university in the country teach that all white people are racist by default.
I fail to see how the word racist could be used any more than it already is
and it's always used against right-wingers. How are you a right-winger and think this?

No one wants to hear from you on anything related to racism.
You are one of the most blatant Altas users who consistently posts insensitive racist remarks.
You even did so in your post above.
Go away. Go back to 4chan/8chan were you belong.
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« Reply #499 on: August 09, 2019, 07:44:29 AM »

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-tells-minority-voters-in-iowa-that-poor-kids-are-just-as-bright-as-white-kids/ar-AAFzuRl?ocid=ientp


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