Progressive Conservative Wiki Entry

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I am currently updating the wiki entry for the Progressive Conservative Party of Atlasia.   Please review it and make any appropriate corrections for any biases that I might have towards my new party

https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Progressive_Conservative_Party

[bullmoose88]

I really like the color choice for the Logo...

Blue and Orange (Conservative and Social Liberal [ie Lib Dems]).

Unfortunately you know me don, in aggregate my views are centrist, but split...I'm kind of an extremist...just a subdued one. Pragmatic one as it were.

[© tweed]

'progressive' and 'conservative' are by definition opposing values.

progressive = progress
conservative = maintain the status quo

I sure you realize this, don, I just needed to point it out for the public benefit.

[True Democrat]

Would you consider your foreign policy to be hawkish?

[afleitch]

Love the colours, dislike the 'wacky logo' Seriously, the policies themselves are sound.

'progressive' and 'conservative' are by definition opposing values.

progressive = progress
conservative = maintain the status quo

I sure you realize this, don, I just needed to point it out for the public benefit.

g.

If you are a Conservative you can be in the Progressive wing of that ideology, so while the terms are a contradiction on their own, together they make sense at least from a European perspective.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

'progressive' and 'conservative' are by definition opposing values.

progressive = progress
conservative = maintain the status quo

I sure you realize this, don, I just needed to point it out for the public benefit.

Well if there is one thing we know about you, Boss, its that you're always committed to the public benefit.  Its amazing that hundreds of Canadian members of Parliament, members of Provincial assemblies, Premiers, and four Prime Ministers sat under that name and didn't have you around to tell them that their name was wrong.

I must respectfully disagree with your assertion and your definitions of these terms.  "Progressive", does indicate "progress".  But who defines "progress"?  PCA defines progress as enhancing quality of life.

Political conservatism, in today's vernacular, implies a center-right ideology with an adherence to market principles along with an acceptance of the importance of faith and order.

The Progressive Conservative Party of Atlasia merges these values and this is why I have named the Party as such.

Would you consider your foreign policy to be hawkish?

In the defense of liberal democracies, absolutely.

However, there must be a moral justification for any act of war.

[© tweed]

The first entry of conservative on dictionary.com:

# Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

Now, the first 3 entries of progressive on dictionary.com:

# Moving forward; advancing.
# Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
# Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive.

I could care less about what Canadian MP's call themselves (but isn't now the Conservative Party of Canada?), but I'm pointing out the contradction in terms of your new party.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Well I assume he named it after the Canadian party, which was founded in the 19th century back when it wasn't neccesarily an oxymoron (for example, Teddy Roosevelt could be considered a progressive conservative), so I don't see the name being a contradiction as that big of a deal.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

The first entry of conservative on dictionary.com:

# Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

Now, the first 3 entries of progressive on dictionary.com:

# Moving forward; advancing.
# Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
# Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive.

I could care less about what Canadian MP's call themselves (but isn't now the Conservative Party of Canada?), but I'm pointing out the contradction in terms of your new party.

Again, you are using the literal rather than the political definitions of these terms. If you don't know what political conservatism is, I urge you to read up on it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_in_the_United_States

As for Canada, almost all of the provincial parties still call themselves "Progressive Conservative".  Why don't you go up there and set them straight?

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Well I assume he named it after the Canadian party, which was founded in the 19th century back when it wasn't neccesarily an oxymoron (for example, Teddy Roosevelt could be considered a progressive conservative), so I don't see the name being a contradiction as that big of a deal.

Yes, Teddy is a good example of a progressive conservative.  Jack Kemp, my ideological mentor, refers to himself and his ideology as "progressive conservatism".

The PC Party of Canada actually changed its name from Conservative to Progressive Conservative in 1942.  Many of its leaders, such as John Diefenbaker and Joe Clark, are much more aptly described as progressive conservatives.  The PC Party of Atlasia does not specifically identify with its former Canadian counterpart though.

[© tweed]

The first entry of conservative on dictionary.com:

# Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.

Now, the first 3 entries of progressive on dictionary.com:

# Moving forward; advancing.
# Proceeding in steps; continuing steadily by increments: progressive change.
# Promoting or favoring progress toward better conditions or new policies, ideas, or methods: a progressive politician; progressive.

I could care less about what Canadian MP's call themselves (but isn't now the Conservative Party of Canada?), but I'm pointing out the contradction in terms of your new party.

Again, you are using the literal rather than the political definitions of these terms. If you don't know what political conservatism is, I urge you to read up on it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_in_the_United_States

As for Canada, almost all of the provincial parties still call themselves "Progressive Conservative".  Why don't you go up there and set them straight?

I hope you don't trample on the constitution as you trample upon the dictionary.

[bullmoose88]

Ugh...you just used the definition of neo-conservatism to define modern conservativism.

Ick.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Ugh...you just used the definition of neo-conservatism to define modern conservativism.

Ick.

Yeah, really.  Blegh.

Why no love for neoconservatism?

[True Democrat]

Ugh...you just used the definition of neo-conservatism to define modern conservativism.

Ick.

Yeah, really.  Blegh.

Why no love for neoconservatism?

Ahh, neoconservatism, the only place where socialists and Santorum supporters can agree.