Trump admin defends inhumane conditions for children at its concentration camps

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

Trump admin's 'tent cities' cost more than keeping migrant kids with parents

The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in newly created "tent cities" is $775 per person per night, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services — far higher than the cost of keeping children with their parents in detention centers or holding them in more permanent buildings.

The reason for the high cost, the official and several former officials told NBC News, is that the sudden urgency to bring in security, air conditioning, medical workers and other government contractors far surpasses the cost for structures that are routinely staffed.

It costs $256 per person per night to hold children in permanent HHS facilities like Casa Padre in Brownsville, Texas. And keeping children with their parents in detention centers like the one run by U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement in Dilley, Texas cost $298 per resident per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014.

[Slander and/or Libel]

Shout it from the rafters: the cruelty is the point. They think treating children this way will be a deterrent. They’ve said that.

[QAnonKelly]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

But muh pro life party.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Fuzzy Bear, let me ask you this: If you were to set an immigration policy for the United States yourself from your own values and principles, would you institute policies like separating mothers from their children and keeping those children in warehouse-like facilities? If so, why? If not, why does it bother you so much when people to your left criticize the attitude towards human rights implied by those policies?

[Badger]

Shout it from the rafters: the cruelty is the point. They think treating children this way will be a deterrent. They’ve said that.

This times a million.

AND these Asylum Seekers are only "illegal" for committing the misdemeanor offense of seeking Asylum through a non-designated Port of Entry , but only after the Trump Administration undesignated numerous ports of entry for that purpose. This is explicitly so he can rail about so-called illegal immigrants, because there are a lot of Americans whom, while they wouldn't tolerate such savagery and internment camps for Asylum Seekers, can be misled into believing that the only choices are this type of barbarism and open borders.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Well, that's usually happens when you're building concentration camps, stupid. Not that Donald Trump would necessarily know that, since he also incorrectly believed that the Soviet Union went into Afghanistan to fight terrorists.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

[JGibson]

This criminal Misaministration's treatment of detained migrant children in concentration camps is a disgrace to common sense.

[Inmate Trump]

Fuzzy Bear, let me ask you this: If you were to set an immigration policy for the United States yourself from your own values and principles, would you institute policies like separating mothers from their children and keeping those children in warehouse-like facilities? If so, why? If not, why does it bother you so much when people to your left criticize the attitude towards human rights implied by those policies?

[Badger]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

[Slander and/or Libel]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Most of these minors are not unaccompanied, and most have family in the country that could take them pending any hearings.

[Inmate Trump]

So this is America in 2019: debating the domestic usage of concentration camps.

[Grassroots]

So this is America in 2019: debating the domestic usage of concentration camps.

We should deport the entire family together.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Most of these minors are not unaccompanied, and most have family in the country that could take them pending any hearings.

What should be done with them while the government tries to find their families?

[Slander and/or Libel]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Most of these minors are not unaccompanied, and most have family in the country that could take them pending any hearings.

What should be done with them while the government tries to find their families?

That problem would be a whole lot more tractable if the government hadn't forcibly and intentionally separated many of them from the family members with whom they crossed.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Most of these minors are not unaccompanied, and most have family in the country that could take them pending any hearings.

What should be done with them while the government tries to find their families?

That problem would be a whole lot more tractable if the government hadn't forcibly and intentionally separated many of them from the family members with whom they crossed.

That awful policy certainly didn't help, but the numbers were about 3K separated from their parents last year, versus over 10K new unaccompanied minors now every month.

[Inmate Trump]

So this is America in 2019: debating the domestic usage of concentration camps.

We should deport the entire family together.

Fine, but that's not the debate and it's not what's happening.  Instead we are imprisoning children in concentration camps.

[Slander and/or Libel]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement.  

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?  

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Most of these minors are not unaccompanied, and most have family in the country that could take them pending any hearings.

What should be done with them while the government tries to find their families?

That problem would be a whole lot more tractable if the government hadn't forcibly and intentionally separated many of them from the family members with whom they crossed.

That awful policy certainly didn't help, but the numbers were about 3K separated from their parents last year, versus over 10K new unaccompanied minors now every month.

And again, some of those being classified unaccompanied are reported not to have actually been unaccompanied. I don't see any real reason to trust the administration's numbers on this.

[Badger]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Hmmmm. If ONLY there was a third option....

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Hmmmm. If ONLY there was a third option....

Which is what Badger?

[Corbyn is (no longer) the leader of the Labour Party]

Thread title is very misleading

[pbrower2a]

Shout it from the rafters: the cruelty is the point. They think treating children this way will be a deterrent. They’ve said that.

This times a million.

AND these Asylum Seekers are only "illegal" for committing the misdemeanor offense of seeking Asylum through a non-designated Port of Entry , but only after the Trump Administration undesignated numerous ports of entry for that purpose. This is explicitly so he can rail about so-called illegal immigrants, because there are a lot of Americans whom, while they wouldn't tolerate such savagery and internment camps for Asylum Seekers, can be misled into believing that the only choices are this type of barbarism and open borders.

Indeed, law enforcement rightly seeks to reduce the human consequences of its actions. It is not up to the police to determine punishment for suspected or accused offenders. That is at worst the choice of the offender (as in, pull a gun on a cop and die).

I see much of the problem originating in the drug trade that supplies money for veritable civil wars in some of the countries whence come so many of the refugees. The drug money is blood money supplied by America's addicts.

[Badger]

It's one thing to demand that migrants respect the rule of law -but is it really necessary to treat them worse than animals to drive home the point?  I am glad we got those Civil War amendments passed, otherwise some here would be advocating their enslavement. 

Do you support an immediate appropriation of necessary monies to increase the number of facilities of this nature and upgrade their conditions so that persons pending deportation will have more comfortable housing while awaiting deportation?

Oh piss off with that garbage. These kids are being denying soap and toothbrushes because this administration is nothing but a bunch of reactionary street thugs not because the American taxpayers can’t take the financial hit

The American taxpayers can take the financial hit, sure.  But they haven't, because DC is dysfunctional and delinquent on this issue, has been for years, when it comes to providing the resources necessary for the number of asylum seekers that increase year after year. Refugees are staying in facilities that were never meant to hold people overnight, because that's what's available. The Trump administration owns the lion share of the blame for the current situation, but Congress and the Obama administration are not blameless either.

These facilities have run to overcrowding explicitly because of the Trump policy of holding Danny or anyone who's an asylum-seeker rather than releasing most of families and follow up with social workers, so that literally over 99% return for their Asylum hearings.

So yes, this is literally 99 + percent the Trump administration's handiwork and responsibility. Nice try at deflection though.

You seriously believe the fact that immigrant facilities were already overburdened before the number of children and families crossing the border skyrocketed in the past couple years is
irrelevant?   

Do you think they should release unaccompanied minors out onto the streets, or send them back to Central America?

Hmmmm. If ONLY there was a third option....

Which is what Badger?

Oh, you know, not to chain them in dog kennels instead turn them over to Foster families while they wait for Asylum determination and or deportation? I mean, that it is that whole enforcing the law and doing it in a Smart Way thing. Unlike the grossly dishonest method that most conservatives had said that it's either enforce the law and set up internment camps for the first time in 80 years, or let Anarchy run loose on the border.

BTW, no whatever crowding these detention camps had previously is a hundred times worse now because there is no equivalent of bond. Again, the law allows it, but Trump Administration politics don't. Not to mention, as has been mentioned herein, and the Trump Administration has been very very very upfront and vocal about, they want Central Americans to see the miserable horrific condition that these children are put in to deter other families from dreaming about legally applying for Asylum.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

They can't just immediately turn them over to foster families.  They need to place them somewhere in the meantime.  Which means they need a place to stay, food, medicine, etc. Which means the government needs to give CBP/ICE and HHS the $$$ to provide this.

here's the situation:

The Trump administration definitely has made a choice to keep single adults in detention, even if it could release them. Border Patrol chief Carla Provost has told Congress that “if we lose (the ability to keep and deport) single adults, we lose the border.” That does raise questions about whether the overcrowding in adult facilities could be avoided.

But it doesn’t address the issue of unaccompanied children, who can’t simply be released with a notice to appear in immigration court. While children with parents in the US could theoretically be placed with those parents, the government is supposed to vet potential sponsors to make sure it’s not placing children with traffickers — but that’s the job of HHS, and the vetting doesn’t begin until children are released from Border Patrol custody.

Observers and policymakers agree that HHS simply doesn’t have the capacity to take migrant kids in. One Democratic Hill staffer compared it to a “jigsaw puzzle”: Not only are there only so many spaces available to place a child, but the facilities available might not match the child’s particular needs. (You can’t put an infant in an HHS shelter for teens, for example.) But another Hill staffer told Vox that HHS claims it’s never refused a transfer for space reasons, muddying the waters.

Read the whole article.  Maybe since it's at Vox you won't reflexively dismiss it as apologetics for the Trump administration, but either way Dara Lind is the best reporter on immigration issues I've come across.