Measure Of Public Mood Is ‘Most Liberal Ever Recorded,’ Political Scientist Says

[junior chįmp]

Realignment imminent

The U.S. public’s vision for the government’s size and scope is “the most liberal ever recorded” in the 68-year history of what’s known as the Public Policy Mood estimate, the estimate’s creator James Stimson announced Wednesday.

“The annual estimate for 2018 is the most liberal ever recorded in the 68 year history of Mood, just slightly higher than the previous high point of 1961,” Stimson wrote to POLMETH, the mailing list of the Society for Political Methodology and the Political Methodology section of the American Political Science Association.

Stimson is a recently retired professor of political science at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who has long measured the public’s view of government by comparing survey responses from over the decades and, in essence, putting them into an algorithmic blender in order to compare the public mood at different times on a continuum from left to right.

Stimson wrote Wednesday that the shift represents “expected leftward movement” in response to Donald Trump’s presidency. He cautioned, however, that his estimates “do not include Trump’s signature issues of immigration restriction and trade protectionism.”

Stimson also noted that a two-year measure of public mood, which combined data from 2017 and 2018 (and in similar two-year increments back to 1951/2) “shows the same leftward movement, but the 2018 level is not as left as the early 1960s estimates.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/public-policy-mood-estimate-most-liberal

[Sestak]

But Conservative Gen Zhapiro will turn things around for an eternal Trumpist majority! My classmates all say so!

[T'Chenka]

Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez are finally bringing Scandanavian leftist utopia into the hearts and minds of Americans. This is what Stalin dreamt of but (sadly) never achieved.

[Sumner 1868]

Trump himself was already on the left of his immediate GOP predecessors so I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

[GP270watch]

 Why is this not expected? For decades the government has passed huge tax breaks for the rich, massive corporate welfare, and insane military spending.

 Now people believe money could be better spent on things healthcare and education.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Trump himself was already on the left of his immediate GOP predecessors so I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

Trump campaigned to the left of past GOP nominees, but he's clearly governed as a standard neoliberal right-winger on everything other than trade. his economic policies are just as far-right as Reagan's, and his foreign policy is basically the status quo. I guess he's to the left of Dubya and Reagan in the sense that he doesn't seem to personally care about LGBT issues or abortion, but this is replaced by being way to their right on immigration and stoking white nationalism, so your mileage may vary.

[UncleSam]

Trump himself was already on the left of his immediate GOP predecessors so I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

Trump campaigned to the left of past GOP nominees, but he's clearly governed as a standard neoliberal right-winger on everything other than trade. his economic policies are just as far-right as Reagan's, and his foreign policy is basically the status quo. I guess he's to the left of Dubya and Reagan in the sense that he doesn't seem to personally care about LGBT issues or abortion, but this is replaced by being way to their right on immigration and stoking white nationalism, so your mileage may vary.

I mean it didn’t used to be that following immigration laws was a conservative position. Protectionism includes protection from foreign competition. It’s just that Democrats realized that they win illegal immigrants 90-10 so they may as well encourage people coming here illegally in order to win elections.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Trump himself was already on the left of his immediate GOP predecessors so I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

Trump campaigned to the left of past GOP nominees, but he's clearly governed as a standard neoliberal right-winger on everything other than trade. his economic policies are just as far-right as Reagan's, and his foreign policy is basically the status quo. I guess he's to the left of Dubya and Reagan in the sense that he doesn't seem to personally care about LGBT issues or abortion, but this is replaced by being way to their right on immigration and stoking white nationalism, so your mileage may vary.

I mean it didn’t used to be that following immigration laws was a conservative position. Protectionism includes protection from foreign competition. It’s just that Democrats realized that they win illegal immigrants 90-10 so they may as well encourage people coming here illegally in order to win elections.

I'd like to hear how Democrats are winning the votes of people who can't vote.

[UncleSam]

Trump himself was already on the left of his immediate GOP predecessors so I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

Trump campaigned to the left of past GOP nominees, but he's clearly governed as a standard neoliberal right-winger on everything other than trade. his economic policies are just as far-right as Reagan's, and his foreign policy is basically the status quo. I guess he's to the left of Dubya and Reagan in the sense that he doesn't seem to personally care about LGBT issues or abortion, but this is replaced by being way to their right on immigration and stoking white nationalism, so your mileage may vary.

I mean it didn’t used to be that following immigration laws was a conservative position. Protectionism includes protection from foreign competition. It’s just that Democrats realized that they win illegal immigrants 90-10 so they may as well encourage people coming here illegally in order to win elections.

I'd like to hear how Democrats are winning the votes of people who can't vote.

Rofl sure bud. There’s no way to stop them from voting and no one is allowed to check if they’re voting but ya none of them vote, of course

Imagine if Republicans had blocked the Mueller probe from operating then insisted that because there’s no proof Trump did anything there’s no crime. Literally would be the same thing. And of course Republicans did try that - definitely not condemning Dems on moral grounds here, as Rs are every bit as bad if not worse from a hypocrisy standpoint. But the notion that there are no illegal immigrants voting in our elections is insane. We have at least ten million people here who came here illegally (and probably way more than that) and even if a crazy small percentage of them are voting (as is likely), that still translates to a couple hundred thousand votes.

But if you’re so sure that no illegal immigrants are voting why not support nationalizing voter rolls and checking SSNs for everyone who voted? Oh right because you know just as well as I do that the results would point to massive discrepancies rofl

[Nyvin]

Trump himself was already on the left of his immediate GOP predecessors so I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

Trump campaigned to the left of past GOP nominees, but he's clearly governed as a standard neoliberal right-winger on everything other than trade. his economic policies are just as far-right as Reagan's, and his foreign policy is basically the status quo. I guess he's to the left of Dubya and Reagan in the sense that he doesn't seem to personally care about LGBT issues or abortion, but this is replaced by being way to their right on immigration and stoking white nationalism, so your mileage may vary.

I mean it didn’t used to be that following immigration laws was a conservative position. Protectionism includes protection from foreign competition. It’s just that Democrats realized that they win illegal immigrants 90-10 so they may as well encourage people coming here illegally in order to win elections.

I'd like to hear how Democrats are winning the votes of people who can't vote.

Rofl sure bud. There’s no way to stop them from voting and no one is allowed to check if they’re voting but ya none of them vote, of course

Imagine if Republicans had blocked the Mueller probe from operating then insisted that because there’s no proof Trump did anything there’s no crime. Literally would be the same thing. And of course Republicans did try that - definitely not condemning Dems on moral grounds here, as Rs are every bit as bad if not worse from a hypocrisy standpoint. But the notion that there are no illegal immigrants voting in our elections is insane. We have at least ten million people here who came here illegally (and probably way more than that) and even if a crazy small percentage of them are voting (as is likely), that still translates to a couple hundred thousand votes.

But if you’re so sure that no illegal immigrants are voting why not support nationalizing voter rolls and checking SSNs for everyone who voted? Oh right because you know just as well as I do that the results would point to massive discrepancies rofl

Ask Gov Abbot how many illegals are voting.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I'm sure the mood was "most liberal" in the Weimar Republic days too.  This is why balance is important. The pendulum can swing the other way very hard.

[Inmate Trump]

I'm sure the mood was "most liberal" in the Weimar Republic days too.  This is why balance is important. The pendulum can swing the other way very hard.

Your party is dying because it refuses to progress beyond the 1950s, and views every single societal progression as Satanic in nature.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I'm sure the mood was "most liberal" in the Weimar Republic days too.  This is why balance is important. The pendulum can swing the other way very hard.

Your party is dying because it refuses to progress beyond the 1950s, and views every single societal progression as Satanic in nature.

There's plenty not to like about both parties, really any American party if I'm honest.  Is it wrong not to just want progress for the sake of "progress" stuff like forcing gender nonsense on kids and nihilistic non-culture to erase the past? 

Personally, I'd like something like the 1950s where all the races/creeds are included this time in the American mainstream culture.  You need a strong culture to unify the country, and let people put their ancestral/expat heritages second.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

Trump himself was already on the left of his immediate GOP predecessors so I'm not sure why this is a surprise.

Trump campaigned to the left of past GOP nominees, but he's clearly governed as a standard neoliberal right-winger on everything other than trade. his economic policies are just as far-right as Reagan's, and his foreign policy is basically the status quo. I guess he's to the left of Dubya and Reagan in the sense that he doesn't seem to personally care about LGBT issues or abortion, but this is replaced by being way to their right on immigration and stoking white nationalism, so your mileage may vary.

"Everything I don't like is neoliberal, and the more I don't like it the more neoliberal it is"

Xenophobia and protectionism do not constitute neoliberalism in any way, shape, or form.

I never said they did.

His economic policies outside of trade are extremely neoliberal, going by the literal definition of the word.

[darklordoftech]

Trump campaigned to the left of past GOP nominees, but he's clearly governed as a standard neoliberal right-winger on everything other than trade. his economic policies are just as far-right as Reagan's, and his foreign policy is basically the status quo. I guess he's to the left of Dubya and Reagan in the sense that he doesn't seem to personally care about LGBT issues or abortion, but this is replaced by being way to their right on immigration and stoking white nationalism, so your mileage may vary.

What did Trump campaign to the left of past GOP nominees on other than trade? If complaining about who pays what into NATO is left-wing, so is “Freedom Fries”.

I mean it didn’t used to be that following immigration laws was a conservative position. Protectionism includes protection from foreign competition. It’s just that Democrats realized that they win illegal immigrants 90-10 so they may as well encourage people coming here illegally in order to win elections.

When were Democrats ever more hostile to immigration than Republicans?

[Omega21]

Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez are finally bringing Scandanavian leftist utopia into the hearts and minds of Americans. This is what Stalin dreamt of but (sadly) never achieved.

Stain dreamt of a capitalist society with a robust safety net?...

[RINO Tom]

I'm sure the mood was "most liberal" in the Weimar Republic days too.  This is why balance is important. The pendulum can swing the other way very hard.

Your party is dying because it refuses to progress beyond the 1950s, and views every single societal progression as Satanic in nature.

I wish I were in shock that you thought this was a relevant response.

[T'Chenka]

Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez are finally bringing Scandanavian leftist utopia into the hearts and minds of Americans. This is what Stalin dreamt of but (sadly) never achieved.

Stain dreamt of a capitalist society with a robust safety net?...

Lol.

I genuinely meant the first sentence. The second sentence was in jest, as a reference to the Seb Gorka quote, "The socialists want to take away your hamburgers. This is what Stalin dreamt of but never achieved." I assume many Trumpists wouldn't realize there is a substantive distinction between Stalin and Sanders.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I just hope this translates into our elections more.

[Badger]

I'm sure the mood was "most liberal" in the Weimar Republic days too.  This is why balance is important. The pendulum can swing the other way very hard.

Your party is dying because it refuses to progress beyond the 1950s, and views every single societal progression as Satanic in nature.

I wish I were in shock that you thought this was a relevant response.

In fairness, it was far more relevant than the prior post's reference to.....the Weimar Republic?

[Grassroots]

Say that to Europe. If we are talking about America, sure, but think of how Europe was in the early 2000's.

The 2020s are the right's decade. We will show you, believe me.

[TJ in Oregon]

The right has had a good streak of winning elections of late, but things obviously are headed in the left's direction as a society and that is unlikely to change in the forseeable future. A full-scale rebuilding project of a conservative culture will have to happen before things start to get better. I do not expect to live to see it, but that is not up to my choice, so I'll just have to do the best I can.

[Gass3268]

Say that to Europe. If we are talking about America, sure, but think of how Europe was in the early 2000's.

The 2020s are the right's decade. We will show you, believe me.

Not when two very left wing generations continue to gain political power.

[Grassroots]

Say that to Europe. If we are talking about America, sure, but think of how Europe was in the early 2000's.

The 2020s are the right's decade. We will show you, believe me.

Not when two very left wing generations continue to gain political power.

Gen Z is not even close to a left wing generation...

[pbrower2a]

Say that to Europe. If we are talking about America, sure, but think of how Europe was in the early 2000's.

The 2020s are the right's decade. We will show you, believe me.

It is up to the Right to show that they can be trusted with human rights and with economic equity. Note that Donald Trump is wildly unpopular in much of Europe. OK -- so that means that the local rightist flavor is preferable to something with any foreign flavor.