Is there a legitimate argument for a nationwide confiscation of guns?

[The Arizonan]

I've seen people on the Atlas Forums say that all guns, even handguns, should be confiscated from private citizens in the United States. Well, what about someone who owns several guns, but has never had a criminal history and has never had an incident involving guns?

[Joe Republic]

Well, what about someone who owns several guns, but has never had a criminal history and has never had an incident involving guns?

Like Adam (& Nancy) Lanza, or Stephen Paddock, you mean?

[Sumner 1868]

Atlas is full of jet setters who support the brutality of the War on Terror yet spew snowflake tears when a suburbanite dies.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Is there a legitimate argument for a nationwide confiscation of guns?

If you're Chinese or Russian and want to see Americans kill each other, sure.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air is well armed:

https://ktla.com/2019/05/08/hundreds-of-guns-found-after-search-warrant-served-in-bel-air-area-home-lapd/

And this is in Cali, where the gun laws are the tightest. Good luck getting them all.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Atlas is full of jet setters who support the brutality of the War on Terror yet spew snowflake tears when a suburbanite dies.

I was crucified after Parkland for daring to question the culture of an all white, all upper-class high school.

RIP Tara

[Ban my account ffs!]

Atlas is full of jet setters who support the brutality of the War on Terror yet spew snowflake tears when a suburbanite dies.

I was crucified after Parkland for daring to question the culture of an all white, all upper-class high school.

RIP Tara

It’s sadly how the world works.  Rich people problems are everybody’s problems.  Especially if you’re famous.  That’s why the white women of Hollywood are the voice of the #metoo movement.  And Leonardo DiCaprio gets to fly private around the world to pontificate and advocate for an authoritarian de-industrialized hellscape of a world where there are no climate refugees because they already died of malaria in a cold, wet, dark hut when the solar panel stopped working for the day.

On the normal people level, it is the mostly white, upper middle class suburbs that Americans falsley identify themselves with in aggregate.  So there is where we virtually put our hopes and dreams and play out the culture wars.

I don’t expect my take on this goes over well on Atlas either.

[MasterJedi]

Depends on how you ask it, I'm sure conservative gun activists would love to confiscate all the guns in big cities so if they go there they wouldn't be raped, mugged and shot.

[GP270watch]

 I don't think a gun prohibition would work in America. We're not really a country that has ever done prohibition well.

 I think gun ownership needs more regulation and classification, that alone would do a lot to reduce gun violence. Also government should be empowered to collect more information about guns, from the factory floor to the purchaser. It's crazy that firearms are given this "privacy" status that no other product in society is given.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

I don't think a gun prohibition would work in America. We're not really a country that has ever done prohibition well.

 I think gun ownership needs more regulation and classification, that alone would do a lot to reduce gun violence. Also government should be empowered to collect more information about guns, from the factory floor to the purchaser. It's crazy that firearms are given this "privacy" status that no other product in society is given.

Great point, the prohibition of alcohol lead to the rise of Al Capone and other organized crime families taking advantage to smuggle it for profit.

The prohibition of MJ and hard drugs lead to the rise of street gangs and drug cartels, and billions spent on the futile War on Drugs.

If there were a gun ban/repealing of the 2nd amendment...it would likely be a much worse outcome than the previous prohibitions.

[Zaybay]

A mass confiscation is rather unfeasible, both politically and logistically. The more likely solution is just stricter Gun Control methods and a buy-back.

[RINO Tom]

Well, what about someone who owns several guns, but has never had a criminal history and has never had an incident involving guns?

Like Adam (& Nancy) Lanza, or Stephen Paddock, you mean?

Quality zing, but do you support a nationwide confiscation of guns?  That is the OP, after all.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Maybe if we get to a point where more than a ridiculously tiny fraction of guns in circulation are being used in shootings. When u have 320 million guns in private hands and 99.9% arent used in crimes it really is absurd to the max to blame or punish everyone, especially in regards to a civil right whose existence has been acknowledged before this country was even founded.

[Omega21]

Is there a legitimate argument for a nationwide confiscation of guns?

If you're Chinese or Russian and want to see Americans kill each other, sure.

I guess it would be more of a South vs North type of situation, luckily this type of absurd thinking is still not mainstream.

I am for guns, but If I was American I would support a mandatory psych evaluation before purchasing, would at least stop some of the "kids" who get the bright idea to shoot up a school, as I doubt all of 'em would be able to trick their doctors.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Atlas is full of jet setters who support the brutality of the War on Terror yet spew snowflake tears when a suburbanite dies.

I was crucified after Parkland for daring to question the culture of an all white, all upper-class high school.

RIP Tara

Weren't you the one who implied the Parkland victims got what they deserved or something to that effect?  

[Joe Republic]

Well, what about someone who owns several guns, but has never had a criminal history and has never had an incident involving guns?

Like Adam (& Nancy) Lanza, or Stephen Paddock, you mean?

Quality zing, but do you support a nationwide confiscation of guns?  That is the OP, after all.

See Zaybay’s post above yours.

Maybe in a few decades once the Boomers are all dead and the Parkland generation has taken over the political world, we can review things again.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Atlas is full of jet setters who support the brutality of the War on Terror yet spew snowflake tears when a suburbanite dies.

I was crucified after Parkland for daring to question the culture of an all white, all upper-class high school.

RIP Tara

Weren't you the one who implied the Parkland victims got what they deserved or something to that effect?  

That’s what everyone implied I was implying, but no, they missed the point entirely.

[RINO Tom]

Well, what about someone who owns several guns, but has never had a criminal history and has never had an incident involving guns?

Like Adam (& Nancy) Lanza, or Stephen Paddock, you mean?

Quality zing, but do you support a nationwide confiscation of guns?  That is the OP, after all.

See Zaybay’s post above yours.

Maybe in a few decades once the Boomers are all dead and the Parkland generation has taken over the political world, we can review things again.

Okay, but a lot of Republican voters already support some measures of increased gun control like universal background checks ... that is never good enough.  I think stricter gun control, in that sense at least, is something we badly need, but I also think a lot of Democrats are quite disingenuous, to the point of possibly even being manipulative, when describing exactly what they'd like to see happen ... they take the "sensible reform" stance and jump down anyone's throat who might suspect that they actually want to go much, much further and would view any sensible reform as "getting the ball rolling," so to speak.

[JGibson]

I am generally pro-gun control; however, there is ZERO legitimate reason to impose a nationwide gun confiscation policy.

[Progressive Pessimist]

A republic can be successful without private gun ownership. It's a pretty low priority on the liberties and rights that liberal democracies ensure. By that notion, perhaps there is.

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

A republic can be successful without private gun ownership. It's a pretty low priority on the liberties and rights that liberal democracies ensure. By that notion, perhaps there is.

Unless you know, you go full socialist like Venezuela and can't revolt because you don't have guns.

[Crumpets]

Does "to see the look on their faces" count?

[S019]

yes (sane, normal)

[Slander and/or Libel]

Here's the thing I've never been able to square. Gun nuts claim:

1) Guns don't kill people, because if people really want to kill someone, they'll find a way.

2) If people don't have guns, they won't be able to defend themselves from the government.

Wouldn't (1) imply that if the government really wanted to kill people they'd be able to do so without guns, or that if citizens really wanted to resist the government they'd be able to do so without guns?

[Rules for me, but not for thee]

Here's the thing I've never been able to square. Gun nuts claim:

1) Guns don't kill people, because if people really want to kill someone, they'll find a way.

2) If people don't have guns, they won't be able to defend themselves from the government.

Wouldn't (1) imply that if the government really wanted to kill people they'd be able to do so without guns, or that if citizens really wanted to resist the government they'd be able to do so without guns?

Yes, the government would ostensibly have better weapons. But guerrilla tactics with firearms could do a lot to buy time and lives. 

Peace movements sometimes do work but sometimes they don't. How brutal is your government?