S.19.2-7: Construction of the world’s largest ground-based Telescope (Passed)

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Section 1: Title: Resolution encouraging the construction of the world’s largest ground-based Telescope.

1.   The government of the south believes that our region is an optimal region for the construction of giant telescopes competing with the thirty-meter telescope or the ELT.
1.2   The south is home of nasa and and most of our nations space infrastructure. The benefits of building the next super telescope here are large and taxes are very low adding an angle of economic benefits over regions like Fremont or Chile.
1.3    Not only are economic benefit an advantage for owners of the future telescope, but also to local economies throughout our great land with thousands of high paying construction and scientific jobs fueling economic growth.
1.4   The government of the south would like to extend an warm welcome to you and ask that you consider us.

Sponsor: Matthew27

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Oh for god not this again. Fremont already went through this sh*t once. I guess it's the south's turn now.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Don't do this, guys.  Or else your father will beat you up.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Don't do this, guys.  Or else your father will beat you up.

Oh for god not this again. Fremont already went through this sh*t once. I guess it's the south's turn now.

Gentlemen, please this is just the start of debating. Let us not turn this into a telescope measuring contest just yet.

[Former President tack50]

Oh for god not this again. Fremont already went through this sh*t once. I guess it's the south's turn now.

I know what bill to pass next in Lincoln

[S019]

Oh for god not this again. Fremont already went through this sh*t once. I guess it's the south's turn now.

I know what bill to pass next in Lincoln

Seeing as this seems to not be a good idea, I would recommend not trying to pass this

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Need I also point out there's nowhere in either the South or Lincoln you could actually build this telescope? A large telescope needs a high elevation and no light pollution in its placement. There exists no place in either the South or Lincoln where this telescope could be built. There exists no place without light pollution and of an adequate elevation in the South where this telescope could be built.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Can someone give us a cost estimate?

"1.   The government of the south believes that our region is an optimal region for the construction of giant telescopes competing with the thirty-meter telescope or the ELT."
The cost of the Thirty Metre telescope is breaking $1 Billion USD, the cost of the Chilean ELT is estimated to be around $1.2 Billion USD. Given this proposed telescope would be in competition with these the cost would be around the same.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Both the Giant Magellan and the Thirty Meter Telescope are hundreds of millions of dollars short of their funding goals, according to unofficial estimates from outside scientists. Some astronomers say the Thirty Meter Telescope, which was originally estimated to cost $1.4 billion, will now take some $2 billion to complete. Project officials themselves have declined to say how much they need.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/science/thirty-meter-telescopes-costs.html

[S019]

Need I also point out there's nowhere in either the South or Lincoln you could actually build this telescope? A large telescope needs a high elevation and no light pollution in its placement. There exists no place in either the South or Lincoln where this telescope could be built. There exists no place without light pollution and of an adequate elevation in the South where this telescope could be built.

South: Guadalupe Peak, TX

Lincoln: Mt. Washington, NH

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Need I also point out there's nowhere in either the South or Lincoln you could actually build this telescope? A large telescope needs a high elevation and no light pollution in its placement. There exists no place in either the South or Lincoln where this telescope could be built. There exists no place without light pollution and of an adequate elevation in the South where this telescope could be built.

South: Guadalupe Peak, TX

Lincoln: Mt. Washington, NH

You also need low humidity and clear skies. That rules out Lincoln and the South.
The only places these extremely large telescopes can be built is on top of tall desert mountains away from any cities. Ergo, they are only built in Mauna Kea Hawaii, the Chilean Andes, Arizona, and the Canary Islands.

[S019]

Need I also point out there's nowhere in either the South or Lincoln you could actually build this telescope? A large telescope needs a high elevation and no light pollution in its placement. There exists no place in either the South or Lincoln where this telescope could be built. There exists no place without light pollution and of an adequate elevation in the South where this telescope could be built.

South: Guadalupe Peak, TX

Lincoln: Mt. Washington, NH

You also need low humidity and clear skies. That rules out Lincoln and the South.
The only places these extremely large telescopes can be built is on top of tall desert mountains away from any cities. Ergo, they are only built in Mauna Kea Hawaii, the Chilean Andes, Arizona, and the Canary Islands.

Denali, AK?

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Need I also point out there's nowhere in either the South or Lincoln you could actually build this telescope? A large telescope needs a high elevation and no light pollution in its placement. There exists no place in either the South or Lincoln where this telescope could be built. There exists no place without light pollution and of an adequate elevation in the South where this telescope could be built.

South: Guadalupe Peak, TX

Lincoln: Mt. Washington, NH

You also need low humidity and clear skies. That rules out Lincoln and the South.
The only places these extremely large telescopes can be built is on top of tall desert mountains away from any cities. Ergo, they are only built in Mauna Kea Hawaii, the Chilean Andes, Arizona, and the Canary Islands.

Denali, AK?

Skies aren't clear enough and it isn't remotely accessable.
A telescope of this nature is already being planned/built on Mauna Kea in Hawaii. There is one up and running on Mt Graham Arizona. Those are the only workable locations for telescopes like this. They're in desert climates so humidity is low and the skies are clear, they're away from any cities so there is no light pollution, they're at a high elevation which helps with the clear skies too. And they're reasonably accessible so you can actually do construction by road access.

[Sestak]

Wait does this actually do anything?

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

Can someone give us a cost estimate?

None.

This is just an simple encouragement to build within the south. Why the hell are people going offf at me? I may drop out of the game as I have a daughter to take care of now.

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

Urging the Delegates to reject this legislation and if passed for some reason I’ll veto it. Seems like a waste of money to me.

Why? Private industry would build it as this is just simple encouragement.

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

Wait does this actually do anything?

It simple states that the south would like private industry to build the next big telescope here.

I don't understand why people can't understand this.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Wait does this actually do anything?

It simple states that the south would like private industry to build the next big telescope here.

I don't understand why people can't understand this.

Except there is no suitable location in the South to build such a telescope, so in reality this achieves nothing at all.

[tmthforu94]

I encourage The South to pass this resolution, always good to promote growth and innovation!

[S019]

Wait does this actually do anything?

It simple states that the south would like private industry to build the next big telescope here.

I don't understand why people can't understand this.

Except there is no suitable location in the South to build such a telescope, so in reality this achieves nothing at all.

I mean maybe Guadalupe Peak, TX, it's in arid western TX, but it's only 90 miles away from El Paso, so, you may get pollution. But this is one of the few, viable sites in the South

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Wait does this actually do anything?

It simple states that the south would like private industry to build the next big telescope here.

I don't understand why people can't understand this.

Except there is no suitable location in the South to build such a telescope, so in reality this achieves nothing at all.

I mean maybe Guadalupe Peak, TX, it's in arid western TX, but it's only 90 miles away from El Paso, so, you may get pollution. But this is one of the few, viable sites in the South

3 ELTs are already being built around the world. 1 funded by Europe in Chile, 2 funded by the US, one in Chile and one in Hawaii. Regardless of anything else there is no real justification for spending another 2 billion dollars on an ELT when 3 are already being built.
An additional ELT in West Texas would provide no benefit to the scientific community whatsoever. The images would be of far inferior quality to those from Hawaii and Chile, and would be totally redundant.

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

Wait does this actually do anything?

It simple states that the south would like private industry to build the next big telescope here.

I don't understand why people can't understand this.

Except there is no suitable location in the South to build such a telescope, so in reality this achieves nothing at all.

I mean maybe Guadalupe Peak, TX, it's in arid western TX, but it's only 90 miles away from El Paso, so, you may get pollution. But this is one of the few, viable sites in the South

3 ELTs are already being built around the world. 1 funded by Europe in Chile, 2 funded by the US, one in Chile and one in Hawaii. Regardless of anything else there is no real justification for spending another 2 billion dollars on an ELT when 3 are already being built.
An additional ELT in West Texas would provide no benefit to the scientific community whatsoever. The images would be of far inferior quality to those from Hawaii and Chile, and would be totally redundant.

You make good points and it is refreshing to see well thought out opposition. Thank you for your post.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I'd encourage the Chamber to vote down this as I generally despise virtue-signaling resolutions. Also this would be costly if actually built.

[Southern Delegate matthew27]

I'd encourage the Chamber to vote down this as I generally despise virtue-signaling resolutions. Also this would be costly if actually built.

Costly to people that want it built. lol

Rich people should be welcome to spend their money on the south.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

I'd encourage the Chamber to vote down this as I generally despise virtue-signaling resolutions. Also this would be costly if actually built.

Costly to people that want it built. lol

Rich people should be welcome to spend their money on the south.

What's stopping them from doing that now?