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« on: April 28, 2019, 05:11:37 PM »

FF foreign policy (literally) I think the world today could use some more of it.

9/11, never forget, never again.
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2019, 05:12:52 PM »

Absolutely atrocious at best and downright evil at worst.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2019, 05:56:56 PM »
« Edited: April 28, 2019, 06:07:23 PM by darklordoftech »

Worse than than the McCain Doctrine. Brushed off warnings on 9/10 and left Tora Bora to forces who couldn't be trusted while invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and pulled out of the ABMT.
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2019, 08:25:30 AM »

Horrible. Destablized a whole region for decades with a war based on lies that killed thousands.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2019, 11:33:18 AM »

Horrible. Destablized a whole region for decades with a war based on lies that killed thousands.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2019, 11:37:33 AM »

Horrible. Destablized a whole region for decades with a war based on lies that killed thousands.
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« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2019, 11:48:15 AM »

In what aspect, HillGoose?
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« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2019, 12:34:20 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2019, 03:09:56 PM »


- Unilateral pre-emptive warfare
- Making no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them
- If a nation opposes US foreign policy, they are essentially an ally of Al-Qaeda and therefore complicit in the 9/11 attacks, even if retroactively
- Liberation of nations from authoritarian governments and planting the seed of democracy globally
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2019, 03:30:36 PM »

Basically led to the creation of ISIS, so HP.
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2019, 04:42:09 PM »


- Unilateral pre-emptive warfare
- Making no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them
- If a nation opposes US foreign policy, they are essentially an ally of Al-Qaeda and therefore complicit in the 9/11 attacks, even if retroactively
- Liberation of nations from authoritarian governments and planting the seed of democracy globally


I see an interesting logical fallacy here.

- The U.S. intervenes to remove an authoritarian government, bringing in democracy for the liberated nation
- Voters elects a government
- Elected government opposes U.S. policies
- U.S. intervene and removed said government because they support terrorism by default
- Repeat all over again
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2019, 03:12:30 AM »

Horrible Doctrine. Sorry brah.
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2019, 04:02:00 AM »

I'm conflicted. When 9/11 occurred, I thought we would have a war. Like a real war. Like eating dead horses in the snow Stalingrad-type of war. Sadly, with so many scattered enemies remaining today, I feel like we half-assed it. I give props to Barack Obama for his takedown of Osama though, that was excellent.
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2019, 02:18:06 PM »

I'm conflicted. When 9/11 occurred, I thought we would have a war. Like a real war. Like eating dead horses in the snow Stalingrad-type of war. Sadly, with so many scattered enemies remaining today, I feel like we half-assed it. I give props to Barack Obama for his takedown of Osama though, that was excellent.

I feel you man.

Instead of stopping after liberating Baghdad, US forces should have turned North and liberated Syria as well.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2019, 02:33:20 PM »

The Bush Doctrine shouldn't be confused with the McCain Doctrine. The McCain Doctrine would have handled Tora Bora differently.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2019, 03:01:14 PM »

I'm conflicted. When 9/11 occurred, I thought we would have a war. Like a real war. Like eating dead horses in the snow Stalingrad-type of war. Sadly, with so many scattered enemies remaining today, I feel like we half-assed it. I give props to Barack Obama for his takedown of Osama though, that was excellent.

I feel you man.

Instead of stopping after liberating Baghdad, US forces should have turned North and liberated Syria as well.
Syria isn't north of Baghdad?
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2019, 03:16:49 PM »

I'm conflicted. When 9/11 occurred, I thought we would have a war. Like a real war. Like eating dead horses in the snow Stalingrad-type of war. Sadly, with so many scattered enemies remaining today, I feel like we half-assed it. I give props to Barack Obama for his takedown of Osama though, that was excellent.

I feel you man.

Instead of stopping after liberating Baghdad, US forces should have turned North and liberated Syria as well.
Syria isn't north of Baghdad?

it's northwest i think but you know that area just needs some FREEDOM and it won't be so geologically confusing.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2019, 03:20:18 PM »

I'm conflicted. When 9/11 occurred, I thought we would have a war. Like a real war. Like eating dead horses in the snow Stalingrad-type of war. Sadly, with so many scattered enemies remaining today, I feel like we half-assed it. I give props to Barack Obama for his takedown of Osama though, that was excellent.

I feel you man.

Instead of stopping after liberating Baghdad, US forces should have turned North and liberated Syria as well.
Syria isn't north of Baghdad?

it's northwest i think but you know that area just needs some FREEDOM and it won't be so geologically confusing.

I have no idea if you did it on purpose or not, but that was an absolutely brilliant post
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2019, 04:12:57 PM »

I'm conflicted. When 9/11 occurred, I thought we would have a war. Like a real war. Like eating dead horses in the snow Stalingrad-type of war. Sadly, with so many scattered enemies remaining today, I feel like we half-assed it. I give props to Barack Obama for his takedown of Osama though, that was excellent.

That's cause the real war ended within 2 months in Afghanistan , and one month in Iraq.  Since then we have been trying to stabilize the nations not fight a war with them.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2019, 05:01:40 PM »

HP. It has merit but it was poorly executed by both incompetence and poor character between Abu Ghraib and Arlington. It could eventually work but it would take a lot.
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2019, 09:27:29 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2019, 09:32:09 PM »


- Unilateral pre-emptive warfare
- Making no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them
- If a nation opposes US foreign policy, they are essentially an ally of Al-Qaeda and therefore complicit in the 9/11 attacks, even if retroactively
- Liberation of nations from authoritarian governments and planting the seed of democracy globally

It was supposed to be a Sarah Palin-Charlie Gibson interview reference, but that joke's about 10 years past its pull-date.
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2019, 05:52:15 PM »

Don't forget the fact that Bush's administration tortured Iraqi hostages and forcibly extracted false confessions about Iraq housing terrorists--so that it would then have an excuse to go to war.
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« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2019, 10:26:39 PM »

I believe in a strong national defense.  I don't believe in pre-emptive wars.

Neither did Ronald Reagan, by the way.
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« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2019, 10:42:37 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2019, 11:19:42 PM by ThatConservativeGuy »

It certainly had good intentions - a world replete with representative governments that respect the dignity of the individual is a noble goal. However, some nations simply have diametrically opposite values systems and can't be transformed into democratic paradises - especially not through military force. The best way to promote a freer, more democratic world is through increased trade and alliances.

Overall intentions - FF
Execution and outcome - complete HP
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