Atlasians for Toll Roads

[S019]

Hey, Atlasia


This is an advocacy group for toll roads

If you want to keep your taxes low and would rather have toll roads, which you can choose not to use please sign below!!!!

This is the signup for the Atlasians for Toll Roads Advocacy Group

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtOEig1l8SA

[Adam Griffin]

[Sestak]

[Former President tack50]

Uh, I prefer not having toll roads, thank you very much. Toll roads do have their uses, but they are a necessary evil and should be avoided if possible.

We already have ways of taxing car owners like taxes on fuel and maybe on vehicle ownership as well (correct me if I am wrong)

[Mr. Reactionary]

Uh, I prefer not having toll roads, thank you very much. Toll roads do have their uses, but they are a necessary evil and should be avoided if possible.

We already have ways of taxing car owners like taxes on fuel and maybe on vehicle ownership as well (correct me if I am wrong)

So federally there is a tax on gas, diesel, kerosene, and other similar fuels.
There is a tax on tires.
There is a tax on heavy trucks and similar vehicles (technically the axles)
There is a tax on vehicles with low gas mileage
Fund matching from the Regions

Regionally, options can include the above taxes, revenue bonds and infrastructure banks, fund matching or minimum assessments from developers during subdivision, road naming and billboard revenue, special one-time taxes for specific projects, and from general revenues. Transportation infrastructure is site specific so often what projects are desired determines the best funding sources.
 

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If you want to keep your taxes low

A toll is effectively the same as a tax, except you are paying it in the middle of a journey, which slows down travel times and clogs up smaller roads due to people wanting to avoid expensive toll roads. It is a less efficient system.

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[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

A toll is effectively the same as a tax, except you are paying it in the middle of a journey, which slows down travel times and clogs up smaller roads due to people wanting to avoid expensive toll roads. It is a less efficient system.

This is why you use an e-tag system.

Also it means those getting the benefit of the roads use the infrastructure are the ones who pay for it. I only am amenable to a toll for a period until the cost of the road is paid off.
Otherwise it's just another drip feeding cash grab from the government. Or a private business which has no incentive to stop charging.

[Sestak]

A toll is effectively the same as a tax, except you are paying it in the middle of a journey, which slows down travel times and clogs up smaller roads due to people wanting to avoid expensive toll roads. It is a less efficient system.

This is why you use an e-tag system.

Also it means those getting the benefit of the roads use the infrastructure are the ones who pay for it. I only am amenable to a toll for a period until the cost of the road is paid off.
Otherwise it's just another drip feeding cash grab from the government. Or a private business which has no incentive to stop charging.

Those two notions are contradictory, though. On the one hand, you’re advocating the use of a system that would probably be costly to implement and would require people to make a change and buy the user side of a system - given the costs to both the government and population, this is a change generally advisable only if the system is going to be permanent.

On the other hand, you’re then saying that all toll roads should be temporary until it’s paid off. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

[S019]

A toll is effectively the same as a tax, except you are paying it in the middle of a journey, which slows down travel times and clogs up smaller roads due to people wanting to avoid expensive toll roads. It is a less efficient system.

This is why you use an e-tag system.

Also it means those getting the benefit of the roads use the infrastructure are the ones who pay for it. I only am amenable to a toll for a period until the cost of the road is paid off.
Otherwise it's just another drip feeding cash grab from the government. Or a private business which has no incentive to stop charging.

Those two notions are contradictory, though. On the one hand, you’re advocating the use of a system that would probably be costly to implement and would require people to make a change and buy the user side of a system - given the costs to both the government and population, this is a change generally advisable only if the system is going to be permanent.

On the other hand, you’re then saying that all toll roads should be temporary until it’s paid off. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

Here you can see how I approach this issue

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=318808.0

[PSOL]

[AustralianSwingVoter]

A toll is effectively the same as a tax, except you are paying it in the middle of a journey, which slows down travel times and clogs up smaller roads due to people wanting to avoid expensive toll roads. It is a less efficient system.

This is why you use an e-tag system.

Also it means those getting the benefit of the roads use the infrastructure are the ones who pay for it. I only am amenable to a toll for a period until the cost of the road is paid off.
Otherwise it's just another drip feeding cash grab from the government. Or a private business which has no incentive to stop charging.

Those two notions are contradictory, though. On the one hand, you’re advocating the use of a system that would probably be costly to implement and would require people to make a change and buy the user side of a system - given the costs to both the government and population, this is a change generally advisable only if the system is going to be permanent.

On the other hand, you’re then saying that all toll roads should be temporary until it’s paid off. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

Here you can see how I approach this issue

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=318808.0

Under your bill the toll to drive from Philly to Buffalo would be $285 DOLLARS.
The toll is 75 cents per mile. Do you not think that no one would ever possibly pay such exorbitant tolls?

[S019]

The Chesapeake Expressway in Virginia is over $1.00 per mile, plus if people do not want to pay the toll, they can take a different road, but they have the option to pay, if they want

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

The Chesapeake Expressway in Virginia is over $1.00 per mile, plus if people do not want to pay the toll, they can take a different road, but they have the option to pay, if they want

It's not just a matter of "wanting to pay" the toll, though.  Tolls punish poor drivers, and those dollars add up when working-class folks are trying to navigate to and from work.

Unrelated to tolls, this whole debate inspired me to introduce an anti-punishing-poor-drivers bill in Parliament.

[Coastal Elitist]

Hell no

[Mr. Reactionary]

The Chesapeake Expressway in Virginia is over $1.00 per mile, plus if people do not want to pay the toll, they can take a different road, but they have the option to pay, if they want

Do you really think anyone is going to take it at that rate though? That's like offering government provided trips to the moon for only $145 Million one way.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Unrelated to tolls, this whole debate inspired me to introduce an anti-punishing-poor-drivers bill in Parliament.

so you're cutting tax on petrol?

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

Unrelated to tolls, this whole debate inspired me to introduce an anti-punishing-poor-drivers bill in Parliament.

so you're cutting tax on petrol?

Criminal justice is a more urgent matter, in my opinion.  We've already shifted taxes on energy resources several times over the past year.

[S019]

The Chesapeake Expressway in Virginia is over $1.00 per mile, plus if people do not want to pay the toll, they can take a different road, but they have the option to pay, if they want

Do you really think anyone is going to take it at that rate though? That's like offering government provided trips to the moon for only $145 Million one way.

The point is, we are giving them the choice, and if even a few people take the deal, that is profit for Lincoln, and it’s being used on infrastructure so, it will help the people, whatever tolls that they pay

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

Those two notions are contradictory, though. On the one hand, you’re advocating the use of a system that would probably be costly to implement and would require people to make a change and buy the user side of a system - given the costs to both the government and population, this is a change generally advisable only if the system is going to be permanent.

On the other hand, you’re then saying that all toll roads should be temporary until it’s paid off. Doesn’t make much sense to me.

Idea 1.

This is why you use an e-tag system.

This was in response to

...slows down travel times and clogs up smaller roads due to people wanting to avoid expensive toll roads. It is a less efficient system.

Idea 2. (separate paragraph) of which Key point was

I only am amenable to a toll for a period until the cost of the road is paid off.

I don't have an issue with a toll as a mean of funding new infrastructure. It means it will pay for itself over the period of the toll by the people who use the road. The fee can be a token amount it doesn't need to be an expensive toll. Tolls on existing roads is just a cash grab.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

The Chesapeake Expressway in Virginia is over $1.00 per mile, plus if people do not want to pay the toll, they can take a different road, but they have the option to pay, if they want

?

It's $8 on summer weekends, $2 the rest of the time, for 16 miles of road.   Regular users can pay a monthly fee to save money.

[thumb21]

A toll is effectively the same as a tax, except you are paying it in the middle of a journey, which slows down travel times and clogs up smaller roads due to people wanting to avoid expensive toll roads. It is a less efficient system.

This is why you use an e-tag system.

Also it means those getting the benefit of the roads use the infrastructure are the ones who pay for it. I only am amenable to a toll for a period until the cost of the road is paid off.
Otherwise it's just another drip feeding cash grab from the government. Or a private business which has no incentive to stop charging.

But everyone benefits from the existence of roads, even people who don't drive at all. This disincentives even local commerce when you have to seriously regulate even small journeys. Ultimately, everyone will still pay, but it will be through higher prices.

I also don't like the idea of having a government tracking device in my car simply for the privilege of being able to drive to work.

The Chesapeake Expressway in Virginia is over $1.00 per mile, plus if people do not want to pay the toll, they can take a different road, but they have the option to pay, if they want

This is a problem, not a solution. More people on minor roads makes life difficult for locals, and means that more money will have to be spent on their maintenance to allow for more traffic. It increases journey times as people will be using roads with lower speed limits and more obstacles. This means a weaker economy also, time is money.

Its not really fair framing to present this as a matter of choice either. Unless you are going on a day trip or on holiday, you are likely using the road in relation to your job, not just commuting but also jobs that require you to travel more, such as truck driving, construction, mobile mechanic ect. For most people, driving is a necessity, not a luxury.

[Mr. Reactionary]

The Chesapeake Expressway in Virginia is over $1.00 per mile, plus if people do not want to pay the toll, they can take a different road, but they have the option to pay, if they want

Do you really think anyone is going to take it at that rate though? That's like offering government provided trips to the moon for only $145 Million one way.

The point is, we are giving them the choice, and if even a few people take the deal, that is profit for Lincoln, and it’s being used on infrastructure so, it will help the people, whatever tolls that they pay

It wont be profit. You have to pay to build this mega highway upfront. Tolls are to recoup the cost. If you spend $100 million to build a toll road and only collect a few thousand dollars each year, thats not profit at all. Thats like saying you've "won" at gambling when you dump $100 in a slot machine and finally win a $20 payout.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

This disincentives even local commerce when you have to seriously regulate even small journeys. Ultimately, everyone will still pay, but it will be through higher prices.

So you're cutting tax on petrol then?