More Incompetent State Party : VA GOP or FL Dems

[OSR stands with Israel]

I would say VA GOP because I would say much of the reason the state has shifted away from it so fast is due to their incompetence and it will take a long time to fix that mess .


FL Dems I would say are more just unlucky

[Canis]

as I said in another thread VA gop is god awful FL GOP is just so good they make the FL dems look bad only bad thing the FL dems have done is run Crist in 2014 but like he was kind of their only choice and FL Sen 2010 only went badly because crist hopped in the race and meek refused to drop out which isn't their fault its meeks and crists

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Write in: MA DEMS

[Canis]

Well the FL Dems lost two high profile races in an alleged swing state in a D+9 year. Virginia Republicans are in a more hostile state and they control the legislature still so they’re clearly at least a little more competent. And they haven’t had a similar R+9 environment where they’ve also come up short

VA sen 2014

[ON Progressive]

Well the FL Dems lost two high profile races in an alleged swing state in a D+9 year. Virginia Republicans are in a more hostile state and they control the legislature still so they’re clearly at least a little more competent. And they haven’t had a similar R+9 environment where they’ve also come up short

VA sen 2014

2014 was R+6, not R+9 iirc.

[Canis]

Well the FL Dems lost two high profile races in an alleged swing state in a D+9 year. Virginia Republicans are in a more hostile state and they control the legislature still so they’re clearly at least a little more competent. And they haven’t had a similar R+9 environment where they’ve also come up short

VA sen 2014

2014 was R+6, not R+9 iirc.

Same diff Obama won virginia by 3 Reps should have won that race by 3

[slothdem]

Well the FL Dems lost two high profile races in an alleged swing state in a D+9 year. Virginia Republicans are in a more hostile state and they control the legislature still so they’re clearly at least a little more competent. And they haven’t had a similar R+9 environment where they’ve also come up short

VA sen 2014

2014 was R+6, not R+9 iirc.

Same diff Obama won virginia by 3 Reps should have won that race by 3

Mark Warner won his previous election by 30 points. Virginia was the single biggest over performance of the cycle for them. 2020 won't be a D10 year, but Mark is going to obliterate whatever warm body the Virginia GOP puts up.

[Pessimistic Antineutrino]

VA-GOP had the rug pulled out from under them with the state's rapid trend, but that's no excuse for putting up Corey Stewart and letting Kaine win by 16.
FL Dems are just incompetent.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

VA GOP's sudden collapse belies the fact that they were actually a pretty effective state party five years ago. Embarrassing losses in 2017 and 2018 only look embarrassing because the GOP managed to get candidates to win in places they shouldn't have been winning in 2014 - 2016.

The same party almost got Ken Cuccinelli (!) elected in 2013 and nearly knocked off Mark Warner in 2014, held a near 2-1 majority in the House of Delegates in 2015, and elected Comstock in what should have been a stereotypically blue district in 2016. Trump destroyed the party by ripping away the ability to separate the insane national party from a more reasonable state party.

Now that they voters can't separate them from Trump, they're fully embracing the Trump mantle, running candidates like Stewart and having a media presence like, uh, this

https://twitter.com/VA_GOP/status/1118884401931272194

[Xing]

Considering that Virginia is much bluer than Florida is red, FL Dems have less of an excuse for their losses.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

Considering that Virginia is much bluer than Florida is red, FL Dems have less of an excuse for their losses.

Virginia is D+1
Florida is R+2

[Xing]

Considering that Virginia is much bluer than Florida is red, FL Dems have less of an excuse for their losses.

Virginia is D+1
Florida is R+2

PVI is not the be-all end-all, and Virginia will almost certainly not be only D+1 for much longer anyway.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Considering that Virginia is much bluer than Florida is red, FL Dems have less of an excuse for their losses.

Well you could argue VA GOP incompetence since like 2006 led them down to this path

In 2006 George Allen was up 20 points in the polls for much of the year but that’s to his and the VA GOP incompetence he lost

2008 the crash probably did make VA trend blue faster than it would have without (without it is probably R+3 instead of R+1 that year).


In 2012 the VA GOP literally ran the same candidate for senate who blew a 20 point lead , they should have ran McDonald(this was before the scandal ) , Bob Goodlatte or Tom Davis


In 2013 they totally blew the gubernatorial race by running Kuccinilli instead of Bill Bollings who would have won .



Even in 2017 they literally must have had one of the worst opponent research teams

[Sestak]

VA GOP has demographics going against them as an excuse.

FL Dems have no excuse. They're in a swing state and still lost an incumbent Senator in a wave for their own party.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

VA GOP has demographics going against them as an excuse.

FL Dems have no excuse. They're in a swing state and still lost an incumbent Senator in a wave for their own party.

MA Dems have no excuse for losing a gubernatorial race by 33.48 points in a state that is literally Safe for their own party and in a year that strongly favored their party as well.

[lfromnj]

PVI is a bad metric because D's have won the PV 6/7 times in the latest party system since Clinton 92. Using PVI inherently makes states seem more skewed to the GOP when they struggle to win the Popular vote in a presidential election.

[Person Man]

VA GOP has demographics going against them as an excuse.

FL Dems have no excuse. They're in a swing state and still lost an incumbent Senator in a wave for their own party.

MA Dems have no excuse for losing a gubernatorial race by 33.48 points in a state that is literally Safe for their own party and in a year that strongly favored their party as well.

Republicans lost the 2002 gubernatorial race in Wyoming.

[America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS]

VA GOP has demographics going against them as an excuse.

FL Dems have no excuse. They're in a swing state and still lost an incumbent Senator in a wave for their own party.

MA Dems have no excuse for losing a gubernatorial race by 33.48 points in a state that is literally Safe for their own party and in a year that strongly favored their party as well.

Republicans lost the 2002 gubernatorial race in Wyoming.

Polarization was generally not that strong until 2014.

[Senator Incitatus]

Write in: MA DEMS

The Massachusetts Democrats are the dominant party and are therefore a manifestation of the broader political environment rather than an organ of it.

[Sestak]

VA GOP has demographics going against them as an excuse.

FL Dems have no excuse. They're in a swing state and still lost an incumbent Senator in a wave for their own party.

MA Dems have no excuse for losing a gubernatorial race by 33.48 points in a state that is literally Safe for their own party and in a year that strongly favored their party as well.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

As others have said, FL Dems aren't actually that bad. FL GOP is just really good, so they look bad by comparison. The VA GOP is just sh**t though. They run some of the worst candidates and don't use their good ones right (Vogel would have been a way better Senate candidate then Stewart, at very least).

[Mr. Smith]

Well the FL Dems lost two high profile races in an alleged swing state in a D+9 year. Virginia Republicans are in a more hostile state and they control the legislature still so they’re clearly at least a little more competent. And they haven’t had a similar R+9 environment where they’ve also come up short

2014. Gillespie still lost.

But the closest GOP equivalent to FL Dems belongs to the Minnesota GOP.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Well the FL Dems lost two high profile races in an alleged swing state in a D+9 year. Virginia Republicans are in a more hostile state and they control the legislature still so they’re clearly at least a little more competent. And they haven’t had a similar R+9 environment where they’ve also come up short

2014. Gillespie still lost.

But the closest GOP equivalent to FL Dems belongs to the Minnesota GOP.

Gillespie only lost because he was written off nationally. No one expected him to come so close to Warner (Who was super popular and won re-election by 30 points the time before). If the GOP had put  a million or two more in he would have won.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

VA GOP has demographics going against them as an excuse.

FL Dems have no excuse. They're in a swing state and still lost an incumbent Senator in a wave for their own party.

MA Dems have no excuse for losing a gubernatorial race by 33.48 points in a state that is literally Safe for their own party and in a year that strongly favored their party as well.

Massachusetts Democrats dominate the state at every level except for the Governorship, this is an absurd comment.

Also, Charlie Baker has, what, a 70% approval rating? I don't think Christ himself could have beaten him if he rose from the dead, moved to Massachusetts, and won the Democratic primary for Governor.

[OSR stands with Israel]

VA GOP has demographics going against them as an excuse.

FL Dems have no excuse. They're in a swing state and still lost an incumbent Senator in a wave for their own party.

You could argue that Scott had the incumbency advantage in that race as he had better name recognition compared to Nelson.