Trump and impeachment

[Lincoln Republican]

Regardless of whether you support Trump or do not support Trump, in light of the released Mueller Report, do you believe Trump should be impeached?

Please vote and discuss.

[Person Man]

The most prudent thing to do would be to start impeachment proceedings and let the chips fall. That’s what the report recommends. Basically, that he should be impeached for obstructing the investigation and continue to have claims of conspiracy, espionage, and corruption either handled by Congress or in civil court.

[Storr]

The most prudent thing to do would be to start impeachment proceedings and let the chips fall. That’s what the report recommends. Basically, that he should be impeached for obstructing the investigation and continue to have claims of conspiracy and corruption either handled by Congress or in civil court.

[pbrower2a]

In view of the involvement with the Russian intelligence agencies and perhaps Russian-American crime syndicates, he should be impeached for campaign-law violations. This would be for deeds while not President.

[HisGrace]

He absolutely should be impeached, but the Dems need to be very careful about how they handle it politically.

[Person Man]

There’s no conspiracy to commit election fraud or espionage , but there was definitely a solicitation.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Of course Donnie ought to be impeached. He should have been impeached within days of taking office for taking his oath in bad faith. The Mueller report is a digestifs to a veritable banquet of impeachable conduct.
The only reason he is still in office is that the Republican party is dominated by deplorable traitors.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Yes

[DrScholl]

No. It will only make him look as if he is being persecuted and allow him to be reelected off of the perception of partisan politicians abusing the impeachment process.

[Crumpets]

Yes, Trump should be impeached. It might lose Democrats some seats and maybe even the next election, but it's the right thing to do. And if Republicans were actually long-term strategic thinkers, they would know too that impeaching Trump and having Pence take over is a better scenario for them than having a bitter, ailing, compromised Trump at the helm.

[ProudModerate2]

This sentence in the report, sounds almost like an invitation (and agreement) by Mueller, for Congress to punish and impeach the president ...

"The conclusion that Congress may apply the obstruction laws to the President's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law."

I look forward to Mueller discussing this in more detail, when he is asked to speak before the Congressional Committees.

This reminded me of something, and I went back to check the text of the report. President is capitalized there in the report, as in your post, so it's being used as a proper noun to refer to a particular President, not just a president in a hypothetical case. I could see some people quibbling about that because it's an important distinction. It's saying that Trump did corruptly exercise his power.

(This was in the other Mueller Report thread, but I thought I would bring it here, as it relates to this new "impeachment" thread.)

[Hammy]

Trump should not be impeached while we have a vice president who thinks hanging gays is a good thing to make "jokes" about.

[pbrower2a]

We now have a weakened and ineffective President. Congress becomes more powerful in such a time as the system becomes a parliamentary system by default.   

[Izzyeviel]

If you can't impeach someone who lies to the FBI & who has clearly tried to obstruct an investigation then you're saying a person should be above the law if he has enough power. Your entire constitution becomes toilet paper & your Republic meaningless, existing in name only.

[GeorgiaModerate]

We now have a weakened and ineffective President. Congress becomes more powerful in such a time as the system becomes a parliamentary system by default.   

This will only be true if the Republicans in Congress stop enabling Trump, which seems unlikely to happen.

[pbrower2a]

We now have a weakened and ineffective President. Congress becomes more powerful in such a time as the system becomes a parliamentary system by default.   

This will only be true if the Republicans in Congress stop enabling Trump, which seems unlikely to happen.

In view of the Russian tampering with the 2016 Presidential election, one can only imagine the effect upon the Senate election of 2016.

[Progressive Pessimist]

He should be, ideally, for reasons even beyond attempting to obstruct justice. But in the reality we live in, he can't be. He could probably be impeached in the House, but as long as the Senate lacks a Democratic super-majority (and even then, it still might not be enough) he would not be convicted and the whole thing would blow up in the Democrats' face just before the 2020 election. It's not worth it. We have to get rid of Trump by electoral means. By all means, we should use what we've learned against him though.

This was always going to be the case, even if Mueller discovered that Trump murdered someone or something like that. Impeachment and removal from office is completely unrealistic with the current iteration of the Republican Party existing as it does, to echo what Ghost of Ruin often suggests.

[Bojack Horseman]

We have to impeach him whether he did anything wrong or not. The whole point is to put him in the exclusive club that only two other presidents belong to. It's about putting a stain on his presidency that can never be washed off, to fully delegitimize him.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

If you can't impeach someone who lies to the FBI & who has clearly tried to obstruct an investigation then you're saying a person should be above the law if he has enough power. Your entire constitution becomes toilet paper & your Republic meaningless, existing in name only.

Seems like a pretty accurate description of 21st century America.

[Beet]

We now have people above the law running the country because the two parties have become so polarized and partisan, that no one is left to stand for higher principles anymore. America has taken the first, and most important, step towards becoming a failed state.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

He absolutely should be impeached, but the Dems need to be very careful about how they handle it politically.

Pretty much this.

The big drawback to impeachment, sadly, is the fact that it wouldn't have a prayer of making it through the Senate, which means it would effectively do nothing but energize Trump's base and dupe wishy washy moron voters into voting for him again.

I'd love to live in a world where there could be enough pressure placed on Republican Senators to actually see Trump removed from office. Obviously the Democratic Party of 2019 isn't competent enough to do that but even if they were I'm not so sure it would work (which of course is terrifying).

[Lincoln Republican]

My thoughts

Should Trump be impeached?  Yes, absolutely.

Will Trump be impeached?  No way.

The cowardly Republicans in the House and Senate are so fixated on propping up and protecting Trump at all costs, that although he would be impeached by the Democrats in the House, there would simply not be the numbers in the Senate for Trump to be tried and  removed from office in the Republican controlled Senate.

[Comrade Funk]

For House Democrats to not impeach because of polling would indicate an extreme level of cowardice and disregard for the Constitution. It doesn't matter if the Senate will find him not guilty. There needs to be some level of accountability for his crimes.

[Koharu]

Of course Donnie ought to be impeached. He should have been impeached within days of taking office for taking his oath in bad faith. The Mueller report is a digestifs to a veritable banquet of impeachable conduct.

For House Democrats to not impeach because of polling would indicate an extreme level of cowardice and disregard for the Constitution. It doesn't matter if the Senate will find him not guilty. There needs to be some level of accountability for his crimes.

[Yank2133]

You impeach if you have the votes for removal in the Senate. If you don't, it just stupid political theater.