Canada General Discussion (2019-)

[Continential]

Seems the Greens have a new leadership candidate. Elizabeth May.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2022/07/28/elizabeth-may-set-to-join-green-party-leadership-race-sources-say.html

I presume she didn't like the current crop of candidates. I wonder if she improved on her french or if she still speaks "french".

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Seems the Greens have a new leadership candidate. Elizabeth May.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2022/07/28/elizabeth-may-set-to-join-green-party-leadership-race-sources-say.html

Isn't she just basically Canadian Jill Stein?

I still think the Greens would be well-suited by figuring out a way to cooperate with the NDP.

[Хahar 🤔]

Seems the Greens have a new leadership candidate. Elizabeth May.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2022/07/28/elizabeth-may-set-to-join-green-party-leadership-race-sources-say.html

Isn't she just basically Canadian Jill Stein?

I still think the Greens would be well-suited by figuring out a way to cooperate with the NDP.

I'm not a huge fan of Elizabeth May but I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. She has, if nothing else, made a concerted effort to be seen as a serious politician.

Historically, the Green Party has been closer ideologically to the Liberal Party than to the NDP. (This was certainly the case during May's leadership of the party.) The Liberal Party has in the past been curiously interested in helping the Green Party to establish its credibility, most notably in 2008 when no Liberal candidate was nominated against May in exchange for the purely symbolic gesture of the Greens not nominating a candidate in Stéphane Dion's extremely safe riding. On Vancouver Island, probably the federal Green Party's strongest region in the country, the interests of the NDP and Green Party are directly at odds, since the NDP vote comes in large part from workers in extractive industries.

[MaxQue]

Seems the Greens have a new leadership candidate. Elizabeth May.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2022/07/28/elizabeth-may-set-to-join-green-party-leadership-race-sources-say.html

Isn't she just basically Canadian Jill Stein?

I still think the Greens would be well-suited by figuring out a way to cooperate with the NDP.

I'm not a huge fan of Elizabeth May but I don't think that's a fair comparison at all. She has, if nothing else, made a concerted effort to be seen as a serious politician.

Historically, the Green Party has been closer ideologically to the Liberal Party than to the NDP. (This was certainly the case during May's leadership of the party.) The Liberal Party has in the past been curiously interested in helping the Green Party to establish its credibility, most notably in 2008 when no Liberal candidate was nominated against May in exchange for the purely symbolic gesture of the Greens not nominating a candidate in Stéphane Dion's extremely safe riding. On Vancouver Island, probably the federal Green Party's strongest region in the country, the interests of the NDP and Green Party are directly at odds, since the NDP vote comes in large part from workers in extractive industries.

Under her leadership, on most fiscal policies votes, it was Liberals/Bloc/NDP on one side, and Conservative/Greens on the other.

[Хahar 🤔]

Out of curiosity, I ran the numbers for Vancouver Island constituencies in the past four elections (2011 numbers are notional):

	2011	2015	2019	2021
New Democratic	38.5%	33.4%	31.3%	37.4%
Conservative	38.5%	21.2%	24.2%	25.9%
Green	14.6%	23.8%	27.0%	14.6%
Liberal	8.0%	21.4%	16.0%	17.9%
People's			1.1%	4.1%

[Leading Political Consultant Ma Anand Sheela]

It remains very telling that the Canadian political establishment and media as well as federal Green Party voters only noticed the federal Green Party was a joke when May, who does not appear to be a bad person but definitely has crankish tendencies and has an obvious case of I Alone Can Solve This and is happy to encourage personality-cult politics as a result, was replaced by a black Jewish woman.

[Benjamin Frank]

It remains very telling that the Canadian political establishment and media as well as federal Green Party voters only noticed the federal Green Party was a joke when May, who does not appear to be a bad person but definitely has crankish tendencies and has an obvious case of I Alone Can Solve This and is happy to encourage personality-cult politics as a result, was replaced by a black Jewish woman.

Many in the Canadian political establishment and the media would likely respond that they realized the Gren Party is a joke when the Green Party executive noticed that their leader was a black Jewish woman.

[Benjamin Frank]

Susan Holt is the new leader of the New Brunswick Liberal Party.

She's never held elective office but she has extensive and wide ranging experience with an academic background in economics and science and was an advisor to former Premier Brian Gallant. In the private sector she was the head of first the Fredericton Chamber of Commerce and then the New Brunswick Business Council. Since 2018, she's been an executive with an I.T  company that works in the environmental field.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/nb-liberal-party-leader-1.6543739

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Been playing around with ridingbuilder a lot, I wanted to see how different cities/areas voted. So here's a list of Ontario census divisions by 2022 PC support, and the colour denotes who won it overall:

Renfrew: 61%
Leeds and Grenville: 58%
Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry: 56%
Lambton: 54%
Rainy River: 54%
Cochrane: 53%
Huron: 53%
Kawartha Lakes: 52%
Lanark: 52%
York: 52%
Haliburton: 51%
Kenora: 51%
Northumberland: 51%
Chatham-Kent: 50%
Elgin: 50%
Hastings: 50%
Oxford: 50%
Bruce: 49%
Dufferin: 49%
Parry Sound: 49%
Simcoe: 49%
Grey: 48%
Prince Edward: 47%
Essex: 46%
Nipissing: 46%
Halton: 45%
Lennox and Addington: 45%
Muskoka: 45%
Peel: 45%
Perth: 45%
Brant: 44%
Durham: 44%
Algoma: 42%
Peterborough: 41%
Prescott and Russell: 41%
Middlesex: 38%
Niagara: 38%
Sudbury (district): 36%
Manitoulin: 35%
Thunder Bay: 34%
Timiskaming: 34%
Waterloo: 34%
Hamilton: 33%
Wellington: 33%
Ottawa: 32%
Toronto: 32%
Haldimand-Norfolk: 30%
Frontenac: 29%
Greater Sudbury: 29%

The riding of Haldimand-Norfolk was won by independent candidate Bobbi Ann Brady. This riding is almost identical to the census division of Haldimand-Norfolk, so she won that too.

[Continential]

What about Barrie?

[MaxQue]

What about Barrie?

That's under Simcoe.

[Hatman 🍁]

You might want to re-check your calculations for Greater Sudbury and Frontenac.

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

You might want to re-check your calculations for Greater Sudbury and Frontenac.

To be clear, the percentage figures for all census divisions is the % that the PCs got, not the winning party.

[Hatman 🍁]

You might want to re-check your calculations for Greater Sudbury and Frontenac.

To be clear, the percentage figures for all census divisions is the % that the PCs got, not the winning party.

Oops, my bad.

[NewYorkExpress]

Michelle O'Bonsawin has been nominated to serve on Canada's Supreme Court.

Justin Trudeau has nominated an Indigenous woman to Canada’s supreme court, in a landmark appointment after decades of criticism over a lack of Indigenous representation on the country’s highest court.

The prime minister announced on Friday that Michelle O’Bonsawin had been selected to fill an upcoming vacancy on the court.


O’Bonsawin, an Abenaki member of the Odanak First Nation, has been a judge at Ontario’s superior court of justice in Ottawa since 2017. She has also taught law at the University of Ottawa, and earlier worked in legal services for the RCMP and Canada Post.

The Franco-Ontarian was tapped following the upcoming retirement of Justice Michael Moldaver.

[NewYorkExpress]

https://twitter.com/LisaLaFlamme_/status/1559238644317167618

Apparently, award winning CTV anchor Lisa LaFlamme was fired because her hair went gray.

[Meclazine for Israel]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-05/canada-stabbings-10-killed/101405142

This does not look pretty.

"Ten people have been killed and at least 15 others injured in a series of stabbings in Saskatchewan province in Canada."

"Police say they are hunting two suspects, named as Damien Sanderson, 31, and Myles Sanderson, 30, travelling in a black Nissan Rogue."


Police are searching for Damien Sanderson and Myles Sanderson.(Reuters: RCMP)

[CumbrianLefty]

Grim stuff, and a high death toll for something not involving guns.

[DabbingSanta]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings. 

[Storr]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings. 

Maybe, but Canada has a lot fewer mass killings than the US. Must be a coincidence.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings.  

Homocides in America per 100,000 people with guns: 4.46(1)
Homocides in Canada per 100,000 people with guns: 0.52(2)

And that's even accounting for the massive amount of guns which are smuggled across the U.S.-Canadian border every year.

Your ideology is a joke disproven by all verifiable and objective facts.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings. 

Homocides in America per 100,000 people with guns: 4.46(1)
Homocides in Canada per 100,000 people with guns: 0.52(2)

And that's even accounting for the massive amount of guns which are smuggled across the U.S.-Canadian border every year.

Your ideology is a joke disproven by all verifiable and objective facts.

>Be Canadian
>Get stabbed

"Good thing I wasn't shot with a gun!"

The real reason our homicide rate is so much lower is because up until recently Canadians just weren't as murderous as Americans. We had far fewer shootings even when Canadians could own a fully automatic weapon completely unlicensed (1954) or with a license no more difficult to get than a handgun license (1955-1976), and none of the major gun control legislation had any real impact on homicide rates.

If Canadians wanted to go out and kill random people at the same rate Americans do then our vaunted gun control would do nothing whatsoever to stop them but it might stop people from defending themselves against an attacker.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings. 

Homocides in America per 100,000 people with guns: 4.46(1)
Homocides in Canada per 100,000 people with guns: 0.52(2)

And that's even accounting for the massive amount of guns which are smuggled across the U.S.-Canadian border every year.

Your ideology is a joke disproven by all verifiable and objective facts.

>Be Canadian
>Get stabbed

"Good thing I wasn't shot with a gun!"

The real reason our homicide rate is so much lower is because up until recently Canadians just weren't as murderous as Americans. We had far fewer shootings even when Canadians could own a fully automatic weapon completely unlicensed (1954) or with a license no more difficult to get than a handgun license (1955-1976), and none of the major gun control legislation had any real impact on homicide rates.

If Canadians wanted to go out and kill random people at the same rate Americans do then our vaunted gun control would do nothing whatsoever to stop them but it might stop people from defending themselves against an attacker.

This individual incident of stabbings is horrific and I genuinely hope all the families of the victims are properly taken care of. That being said, every time there is an incident of mass-murder outside the US, GOP supporters will always take it as a chance to take pot-shots at gun control laws which despite not being 100% effective as no law or regulation is are still empirically proven to be far more effective then the 'system', or lack thereof of one, we have in place here in the States.

[DabbingSanta]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings. 

Maybe, but Canada has a lot fewer mass killings than the US. Must be a coincidence.

This is simply not true.  There have been several high profile mass killings in recent years (Toronto van attack, Nova Scotia shooting, now this).  Given Canada is 1/10th the population of the US, I would say the rate of massacres is on par with the violence in the USA.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Example A of how gun control does not stop mass killings.  

Maybe, but Canada has a lot fewer mass killings than the US. Must be a coincidence.

This is simply not true.  There have been several high profile mass killings in recent years (Toronto van attack, Nova Scotia shooting, now this).  Given Canada is 1/10th the population of the US, I would say the rate of massacres is on par with the violence in the USA.

So basically instead of checking verifiable facts and statistics on this, which completely refute your claim by the way, you're gonna go with your feelings that violence in both countries is similar because you have ulterior motives you want to prove. Seems about right for a Conservative...

In any case, can we not make this thread about gun control or American politics... I bet our Canadian posters and friends would appreciate it.