Canada General Discussion (2019-)

[CumbrianLefty]

Scotland was never one of the best Tory areas in the UK, and could last be meaningfully described as "leaning" towards them in the 1950s. It is true, though, that Thatcher augmented their decline there.

[(no subject)]

It took a sharp rebuke from the Council of Europe to get Kinnicchio to drop LABOUR platform support for closed shops/forced unionisation and sympathy strikes. Maggie was right to smash Wot Arthur.

[Badger]

In retrospect, why was the emergency  freezing of funding, which was so controversial and admittedly questionable, even invoked at all since it took literally about 3 days between that being imposed and the police basically removing/arresting the truckers en masse? Really not sure why they didn't just go with plan B to begin with.

[Independents for Nihilism]

Mission accomplished?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-drops-invocation-of-the-emergencies-act-prime-minister-justin/

[DC Al Fine]

Nova Scotia is dropping vaccine passport requirements on Monday and all other restrictions on March 21.

[harpercanuck]

We still have the dumb vaxport and masking, but other than that Covid has been over in BC for like the last few months nobody cares minus some karens being like "CAN YOU PUT UR MASK ALL THE WAY TYPES". even vaxports if theres a big crowd at lunch they dont check, the gym i use is annoying tho theres like nobody there in the mornings yet i gotta show my vaxport every time i go in like i was literally there 2 days ago and showed you the previous N times!

Good on Nova scotia, and quebec got rid of masks for kids as did AB

[Poirot]

Mission accomplished?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-drops-invocation-of-the-emergencies-act-prime-minister-justin/

Is this a joke. On Monday they say the emergency act is still needed and must be voted. On Wednesday, it's not needed anymore.

[Benjamin Frank]

Scotland was never one of the best Tory areas in the UK, and could last be meaningfully described as "leaning" towards them in the 1950s. It is true, though, that Thatcher augmented their decline there.

Yes.  I had thought the Conservatives were more popular in Scotland prior to Thatcher, but they did win 22 of the then 71 seats in Scotland in 1979.

[Benjamin Frank]

It took a sharp rebuke from the Council of Europe to get Kinnicchio to drop LABOUR platform support for closed shops/forced unionisation and sympathy strikes. Maggie was right to smash Wot Arthur.

Authoritarian

[(no subject)]

It took a sharp rebuke from the Council of Europe to get Kinnicchio to drop LABOUR platform support for closed shops/forced unionisation and sympathy strikes. Maggie was right to smash Wot Arthur.

Authoritarian

Nope. Just opposed to forced unionisation and secondary picketing.

[Benjamin Frank]

It took a sharp rebuke from the Council of Europe to get Kinnicchio to drop LABOUR platform support for closed shops/forced unionisation and sympathy strikes. Maggie was right to smash Wot Arthur.

Authoritarian

Nope. Just opposed to forced unionisation and secondary picketing.

And I'm opposed to blockades, but Trudeau and the people who supported the imposition of the Emergencies Act to deal with them are still referred to here as 'authoritarian.'

Margaret Thatcher's methods could be far more extreme than anything Trudeau has done.

For instance:

A truncheon is clearly visible in the picture, poised above a figure wedged against a wall. Witnesses say police struck the miner repeatedly before he was dragged from the perimeter of Easington colliery in Durham and arrested for a "picket-line offence".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/dec/02/miners-strike-orgreave-special-report

And for those who tone police Prime Minister Trudeau, this is what Thatcher said of the striking miners:

"We had to fight the enemy without in the Falklands. We always have to be aware of the enemy within, which is much more difficult to fight and more dangerous to liberty."

https://www.businessinsider.com/thacher-versus-the-unions-2013-4

[Libertas Vel Mors]

It took a sharp rebuke from the Council of Europe to get Kinnicchio to drop LABOUR platform support for closed shops/forced unionisation and sympathy strikes. Maggie was right to smash Wot Arthur.

Authoritarian

Nope. Just opposed to forced unionisation and secondary picketing.

And I'm opposed to blockades, but Trudeau and the people who supported the imposition of the Emergencies Act to deal with them are still referred to here as 'authoritarian.'

Margaret Thatcher's methods could be far more extreme than anything Trudeau has done.

For instance:

A truncheon is clearly visible in the picture, poised above a figure wedged against a wall. Witnesses say police struck the miner repeatedly before he was dragged from the perimeter of Easington colliery in Durham and arrested for a "picket-line offence".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/dec/02/miners-strike-orgreave-special-report

And for those who tone police Prime Minister Trudeau, this is what Thatcher said of the striking miners:

"We had to fight the enemy without in the Falklands. We always have to be aware of the enemy within, which is much more difficult to fight and more dangerous to liberty."

https://www.businessinsider.com/thacher-versus-the-unions-2013-4

Striking unionists attacking those seeking to work should be responded to with force, and peaceful protestors should not be.

[Benjamin Frank]

It took a sharp rebuke from the Council of Europe to get Kinnicchio to drop LABOUR platform support for closed shops/forced unionisation and sympathy strikes. Maggie was right to smash Wot Arthur.

Authoritarian

Nope. Just opposed to forced unionisation and secondary picketing.

And I'm opposed to blockades, but Trudeau and the people who supported the imposition of the Emergencies Act to deal with them are still referred to here as 'authoritarian.'

Margaret Thatcher's methods could be far more extreme than anything Trudeau has done.

For instance:

A truncheon is clearly visible in the picture, poised above a figure wedged against a wall. Witnesses say police struck the miner repeatedly before he was dragged from the perimeter of Easington colliery in Durham and arrested for a "picket-line offence".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/dec/02/miners-strike-orgreave-special-report

And for those who tone police Prime Minister Trudeau, this is what Thatcher said of the striking miners:

"We had to fight the enemy without in the Falklands. We always have to be aware of the enemy within, which is much more difficult to fight and more dangerous to liberty."

https://www.businessinsider.com/thacher-versus-the-unions-2013-4

Striking unionists attacking those seeking to work should be responded to with force, and peaceful protestors should not be.

It's gaslighting at best to refer to this as a 'peaceful protest.'  At a minimum, they also prevented thousands of people from being able to go to work.

Anyway, interesting to see you show yourself as an, at least sometimes, supporter of authoritarianism.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Mission accomplished?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-drops-invocation-of-the-emergencies-act-prime-minister-justin/

Is this a joke. On Monday they say the emergency act is still needed and must be voted. On Wednesday, it's not needed anymore.

The most obvious explanation is that Trudeau saw some absolutely horrific polls between Monday and Wednesday. He only had a narrow majority's support for invoking the EA when the Ambassador Bridge and Ottawa were both blocked off so I'd imagine even a lot of his supporters had an issue when he tried to extend it.

Alternatively, supposedly the banking portion of the EA caused a significant amount of bank account closures and capital flight. With how tied in the Liberal Party is with Bay Street its not out the question that the revocation was made after the bankers saw how much money they were losing.

Singh is the real loser here though. He humiliated himself and his party just for Trudeau to go "oh, actually, nevermind"

[2952-0-0]

Striking unionists attacking those seeking to work should be responded to with force, and peaceful protestors should not be.

The blockade of the Ambassador Bridge alone led to tens of thousands of auto workers losing shifts, as far away as Tennessee and West Virginia.

[DC Al Fine]

With the Russian invasion of Ukraine we are getting a real-time example of what an actual emergency looks like.

[MaxQue]

With the Russian invasion of Ukraine we are getting a real-time example of what an actual emergency looks like.

That's not an emergency, that's a war.

[DC Al Fine]

The Emergencies Act specifically mentions a war emergency. Further, some of Ukraine's neighbours who aren't at war have invoked their own   versions of the Emergencies Act to deal with a potential threat and/or the flood of Ukranian refugees fleeing the fighting.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Striking unionists attacking those seeking to work should be responded to with force, and peaceful protestors should not be.

The blockade of the Ambassador Bridge alone led to tens of thousands of auto workers losing shifts, as far away as Tennessee and West Virginia.

The blockade of the Ambassador Bridge is not the Ottawa occupation.

[MaxQue]

The Emergencies Act specifically mentions a war emergency. Further, some of Ukraine's neighbours who aren't at war have invoked their own   versions of the Emergencies Act to deal with a potential threat and/or the flood of Ukranian refugees fleeing the fighting.

Which proves that not all emergencies are war-related.

[Benjamin Frank]

Mission accomplished?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-drops-invocation-of-the-emergencies-act-prime-minister-justin/

Is this a joke. On Monday they say the emergency act is still needed and must be voted. On Wednesday, it's not needed anymore.

The most obvious explanation is that Trudeau saw some absolutely horrific polls between Monday and Wednesday. He only had a narrow majority's support for invoking the EA when the Ambassador Bridge and Ottawa were both blocked off so I'd imagine even a lot of his supporters had an issue when he tried to extend it.

Alternatively, supposedly the banking portion of the EA caused a significant amount of bank account closures and capital flight. With how tied in the Liberal Party is with Bay Street its not out the question that the revocation was made after the bankers saw how much money they were losing.

Singh is the real loser here though. He humiliated himself and his party just for Trudeau to go "oh, actually, nevermind"

First poll post imposition of the Securities Act (though completed before its revocation.)

Abacus Data, February 17-22,
Liberal 31%
Conservative 31%
NDP 20%
B.Q: 8%
PPC: 6%
Green: 3%

https://abacusdata.ca/canadian-politics-emegencies-act-feb-2022/

[MaxQue]

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/2022-02-25/loi-sur-les-mesures-d-urgence/desaccords-a-propos-de-la-creation-du-comite.php

The parlimentary inquiry on the Emercengies Act is currently blocked, as the Liberals and the Conservatives cannot agree on the committee's composition.

It seems the Conservatives want a majority on the committee, both co-chairs positions and no senators from any caucus but theirs.

The Liberals and NDP are in agreement, they have a committee with 3 co-chairs, including an NDP one.

[lfromnj]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/the-trucks-have-left-ottawa-but-phantom-honking-lingers-for-many-downtown/ar-AAUkzNT?ocid=uxbndlbing
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[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Singh is the real loser here though. He humiliated himself and his party just for Trudeau to go "oh, actually, nevermind"

It's amazing to me that replacing Singh is something the NDP doesn't even consider. He's a decent enough guy, but as leader has proven pretty weak. He and his supporters would make the argument that he's the reason Trudeau has shifted to the left, which is kind of hard to disprove. But they seem to support every initiative Trudeau brings forward, which brings into question how much leverage they really have over a government that has always presented themselves as orange grits.

[T'Chenka]

Singh is the real loser here though. He humiliated himself and his party just for Trudeau to go "oh, actually, nevermind"

It's amazing to me that replacing Singh is something the NDP doesn't even consider. He's a decent enough guy, but as leader has proven pretty weak. He and his supporters would make the argument that he's the reason Trudeau has shifted to the left, which is kind of hard to disprove. But they seem to support every initiative Trudeau brings forward, which brings into question how much leverage they really have over a government that has always presented themselves as orange grits.

I like Singh a lot, but I'm open to replacing him... IF the replacement is going to improve how well the NDP is doing. I would need to see a convincing argument for why so-and-so will be an upgrade on Singh before I could approve of it.