Mueller report thread - Mueller testimony July 24

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

"If I get loud & obnoxious, then that means that I'm right!!" -- Jim Jordan's thought process.

That would appear to be an accurate summation of the decision process employed by Republicans, both as voters and office-holders.

[GP270watch]

 Trump obstructed this investigation and the only reason he didn't go further is because people around him knew exactly what he was doing and that it was wrong and refused to follow his orders. Nobody should have to be in the position to ignore orders from the President of The United States, it shows how incompetent and unfit Trump is for office, impeach him.

 Also start another investigation on Barr immediately, he's complicit in a coverup and obstructing justice as well.

[brucejoel99]

Oh god, not Gaetz.

[CookieDamage]

Trump obstructed this investigation and the only reason he didn't go further is because people around him knew exactly what he was doing and that it was wrong and refused to follow his orders. Nobody should have to be in the position to ignore the order of the President of The United States, it shows how incompetent and unfit Trump is for office, impeach him.

 Also start another investigation on Barr immediately, he's complicit in a coverup and obstructing justice as well.

[CookieDamage]

Gaetz 🤢

[brucejoel99]

Gaetz thinking that he can tell Mueller what his job was is so adorable.

[brucejoel99]

Jeffries is good at this.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/danieljwindham/status/1154022772852629504

[brucejoel99]

I don't understand how anybody can listen to this line of questioning & Mueller's responses & somehow still think that Trump isn't guilty of committing obstruction of justice.

[CookieDamage]

https://twitter.com/danieljwindham/status/1154022772852629504

That guy is a pro lifer and talking about people who don't shut up. Erm....

[HisGrace]

At least the one guy just thanked him for his service. I thought Republicans only liked veterans who are Trump bootlickers and didn't get captured.

This hearing is basically boiling down to five minutes of a Democrat asking questions about the law or points of fact followed by five minutes of Republicans ranting and personally attacking Mueller.

Gaetz thinking that he can tell Mueller what his job was is so adorable.

Someone needs to tell Gaetz what his job is.

[HisGrace]

I don't understand how anybody can listen to this line of questioning & Mueller's responses & somehow still think that Trump isn't guilty of committing obstruction of justice.

I don't understand how someone could have thought that prior this. He directed subordinates to lie to investigators and threatened witnesses under subpoena. Not hard to understand. 

[brucejoel99]

Holy hell he just said that if Trump wasn't president, then a charge could be brought against him. Trump is s*itting his pants right now; I guarantee it.

[Citizen (The) Doctor]

I think there's enough groundwork for a Democrat to simply ask, "If the tool of indictment was available to you, would you indict the President, yes or no?"

[brucejoel99]

Swalwell's up. I don't know about you but I wanna see him call on Mueller to #PassTheTorch to a new generation of special counsels.

[brucejoel99]

Which was shorter: the amount of time Swalwell allowed himself to speak, or the length of his presidential campaign?

[Person Man]

So the entire jist of what happen was:

1) The Russian Government saw in the Trump campaign a potential government for multiple reasons, they would prefer over other viable alternatives

2) They started an espionage campaign to help him win again his rivals

3) The Trump campaign (and Trump himself) knew about the espionage campaign and asked to participate. Those in charge of the espionage campaign refused on the grounds they "would just get in the way" and when other individuals somehow related to the espionage campaigned offered to help, the Trump campaign interviewed them but decided that they would "just get in the way". So the Trump campaign repeatedly try to conspire with the Russian Government's espionage campaign but failed to do so.

4) When under investigation, Trump himself repeatedly tried to cover up his attempted conspiracy with the espionage campaign he incidentally benefited but was unsuccessful in trying to cover up the attempted conspiracy by employees who refused to cooperate.

We already know this but its good to know what this all really means and this hearing the confirms this suspicion-

Trump should be impeached and eventually charged for his attempt to cover up his attempt to conspire with a foreign government's espionage campaign to commit election fraud.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Which was shorter: the amount of time Swalwell allowed himself to speak, or the length of his presidential campaign?

I understand you're joking,  but let's give Rep. Swalwell the credit for realizing when it was time to end his campaign and doing so swiftly and gracefully. (Something that some of his fellow Dem contenders could learn from.)

[Inmate Trump]

So the entire jist of what happen was:

1) The Russian Government saw in the Trump campaign a potential government for multiple reasons, they would prefer over other viable alternatives

2) They started an espionage campaign to help him win again his rivals

3) The Trump campaign (and Trump himself) knew about the espionage campaign and asked to participate. Those in charge of the espionage campaign refused on the grounds they "would just get in the way" and when other individuals somehow related to the espionage campaigned offered to help, the Trump campaign interviewed them but decided that they would "just get in the way". So the Trump campaign repeatedly try to conspire with the Russian Government's espionage campaign but failed to do so.

4) When under investigation, Trump himself repeatedly tried to cover up his attempted conspiracy with the espionage campaign he incidentally benefited but was unsuccessful in trying to cover up the attempted conspiracy by employees who refused to cooperate.

We already know this but its good to know what this all really means and this hearing the confirms this suspicion-

Trump should be impeached and eventually charged for his attempt to cover up his attempt to conspire with a foreign government's espionage campaign to commit election fraud.

If that's true, that means they will do it again in 2020, and most likely they'll have better methods which could potentially involve actual vote altering (which they attempted in 2016 but were unsuccessful).

And if that happens, there is really no chance for whomever the Democratic nominee ends up being, and our country is truly lost forever.

[CookieDamage]

Is Mueller afraid of saying anything or what?

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

So the entire jist of what happen was:

1) The Russian Government saw in the Trump campaign a potential government for multiple reasons, they would prefer over other viable alternatives

2) They started an espionage campaign to help him win again his rivals

3) The Trump campaign (and Trump himself) knew about the espionage campaign and asked to participate. Those in charge of the espionage campaign refused on the grounds they "would just get in the way" and when other individuals somehow related to the espionage campaigned offered to help, the Trump campaign interviewed them but decided that they would "just get in the way". So the Trump campaign repeatedly try to conspire with the Russian Government's espionage campaign but failed to do so.

4) When under investigation, Trump himself repeatedly tried to cover up his attempted conspiracy with the espionage campaign he incidentally benefited but was unsuccessful in trying to cover up the attempted conspiracy by employees who refused to cooperate.

We already know this but its good to know what this all really means and this hearing the confirms this suspicion-

Trump should be impeached and eventually charged for his attempt to cover up his attempt to conspire with a foreign government's espionage campaign to commit election fraud.

If that's true, that means they will do it again in 2020, and most likely they'll have better methods which could potentially involve actual vote altering (which they attempted in 2016 but were unsuccessful).

We don't know that.

We don't even have a strong basis for believing that.

All we know is that there is no definitive evidence that votes were successfully changed.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

And now we're back to "Trump can't be charged, so it's not fair to investigate him".

[Frodo]

Democrats really should have taken that advice to leave the questioning to the legal experts. We would be getting a lot more out of this than more political theater.  

[HisGrace]

"I know we're short on time but I'm just going to read my resume......"

[Inmate Trump]

So the entire jist of what happen was:

1) The Russian Government saw in the Trump campaign a potential government for multiple reasons, they would prefer over other viable alternatives

2) They started an espionage campaign to help him win again his rivals

3) The Trump campaign (and Trump himself) knew about the espionage campaign and asked to participate. Those in charge of the espionage campaign refused on the grounds they "would just get in the way" and when other individuals somehow related to the espionage campaigned offered to help, the Trump campaign interviewed them but decided that they would "just get in the way". So the Trump campaign repeatedly try to conspire with the Russian Government's espionage campaign but failed to do so.

4) When under investigation, Trump himself repeatedly tried to cover up his attempted conspiracy with the espionage campaign he incidentally benefited but was unsuccessful in trying to cover up the attempted conspiracy by employees who refused to cooperate.

We already know this but its good to know what this all really means and this hearing the confirms this suspicion-

Trump should be impeached and eventually charged for his attempt to cover up his attempt to conspire with a foreign government's espionage campaign to commit election fraud.

If that's true, that means they will do it again in 2020, and most likely they'll have better methods which could potentially involve actual vote altering (which they attempted in 2016 but were unsuccessful).

We don't know that.

We don't even have a strong basis for believing that.

All we know is that there is no definitive evidence that votes were successfully changed.

We know they hacked into US voting systems, but that no votes were changed.

Why else would they hack into voting systems if not to alter votes?  Their efforts were unsuccessful but they did make the attempt.