Mueller report thread - Mueller testimony July 24

[DrScholl]

It's kind of stupid to even think this will help Trump get re-elected since the corruption angle is already baked in and there are tons of other things that people hate him over, plus more time for him to do more things to make people hate him even more. If anything this probably will push him to overplay his hand even more.

[Thatkat04]

Kinda speaks to how low Trumpers have set that bar that Mueller not arresting Trump or his son is being treated as a win

lol you guys are so pathetic in defeat.

I just...like I dont get it. We dont know what the report says.

Which is what I’m saying. This report is likely to be damning but the Sanchez of the world are treating Mueller not arresting Trump here and now as a “win”.

Report could be damning politicaly, but it's a stretch. Because they will not release anything if the guy hasn't been indicted and he couldn't be. Which by itself is silly practice btw. But the fact that nobody else has been indicted, not Don Jr, Kushner, Manafort is pretty damning for Dems because they hyped this so hard. This can't be a win for them. Anything else that comes out of this is just going to be spinned politicaly either way.

Its not a stretch...

[Person Man]

If this is another thing like Benghazi or whatever then Maybe the report just says that Trump was “extremely reckless” and that’s it. If that’s the case, he becomes a generic Republican when nothing is going on and with a divided government, he becomes popular. Like low to mid 50s popular. If this report is simply very deferential to Congress, it’s basically up to them about what happens next.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I wrote a long, depressed diatribe about this in the "Indictment-o-rama" thread, so if you care what I think go read that there. The Cliffnotes version of it is that I now think that Trump firing Mueller and creating a constitutional crisis for the country would have been a better result and that I was wise to temper my expectations of the report. That still didn't help that much though. I'm feeling really down right now. This may not 100% guarantee Trump's re-election but it undeniably helps him. The guy is practically invincible.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Can we actually read his this f**king report before we declare if Trump was helped or hurt by this?

[GeorgiaModerate]

I wrote a long, depressed diatribe about this in the "Indictment-o-rama" thread, so if you care what I think go read that there. The Cliffnotes version of it is that I now think that Trump firing Mueller and creating a constitutional crisis for the country would have been a better result and that I was wise to temper my expectations of the report. That still didn't help that much though. I'm feeling really down right now. This may not 100% guarantee Trump's re-election but it undeniably helps him. The guy is practically invincible.

Since you apparently know what's in the report already, how about sharing it with the rest of us?

[Technocracy Timmy]

I am now supporting Elizabeth Warren for President after learning that Mueller has cleared Trump in his investigation.

[Thatkat04]

Can we actually read his this f**king report before we declare if Trump was helped or hurt by this?

No, apparently.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I wrote a long, depressed diatribe about this in the "Indictment-o-rama" thread, so if you care what I think go read that there. The Cliffnotes version of it is that I now think that Trump firing Mueller and creating a constitutional crisis for the country would have been a better result and that I was wise to temper my expectations of the report. That still didn't help that much though. I'm feeling really down right now. This may not 100% guarantee Trump's re-election but it undeniably helps him. The guy is practically invincible.

Since you apparently know what's in the report already, how about sharing it with the rest of us?

The lack of any new indictments plus my already pessimistic expectations are enough to make me think that the report will vindicate Trump.

[Thatkat04]

I wrote a long, depressed diatribe about this in the "Indictment-o-rama" thread, so if you care what I think go read that there. The Cliffnotes version of it is that I now think that Trump firing Mueller and creating a constitutional crisis for the country would have been a better result and that I was wise to temper my expectations of the report. That still didn't help that much though. I'm feeling really down right now. This may not 100% guarantee Trump's re-election but it undeniably helps him. The guy is practically invincible.

Since you apparently know what's in the report already, how about sharing it with the rest of us?

The lack of any new indictments plus my already pessimistic expectations are enough to make me think that the report will vindicate Trump.

There have been multiple reports on how Mueller doesnt think he can indict a sitting president.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Robert Mueller is one of the greatest Republicans since Lincoln. Pure class!

[Thatkat04]

Robert Mueller is one of the greatest Republicans since Lincoln. Pure class!

I think alot of democrats would agree with you.

[Progressive Pessimist]

I wrote a long, depressed diatribe about this in the "Indictment-o-rama" thread, so if you care what I think go read that there. The Cliffnotes version of it is that I now think that Trump firing Mueller and creating a constitutional crisis for the country would have been a better result and that I was wise to temper my expectations of the report. That still didn't help that much though. I'm feeling really down right now. This may not 100% guarantee Trump's re-election but it undeniably helps him. The guy is practically invincible.

Since you apparently know what's in the report already, how about sharing it with the rest of us?

The lack of any new indictments plus my already pessimistic expectations are enough to make me think that the report will vindicate Trump.

There have been multiple reports on how Mueller doesnt think he can indict a sitting president.

I knew that already, but without any other associates being indicted it sounds as if there is no real link between Trump himself and Russian collusion, which is what it would have taken for Trump to be harmed in any way by this investigation. The political harm was always the biggest threat to Trump by this, whether that meant potential removal from office or baggage going into the 2020 election. That doesn't seem to matter now though. Trump's supporters are already celebrating at the lack of new indictments and rubbing it in the faces of the President's opponents. And even if the report has at least some damaging accusations within it, they still won't care. Sure, they were never going to, but that will probably translate to Americans who weren't particularly invested in the investigation either. Trump needs those people on his side if he wants to win re-election and the Trump base are insistent that Democrats overplayed their hand here, it will swing some Independents or soft-Trump support back to him.

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Robert Mueller is one of the greatest Republicans since Lincoln. Pure class!

LOL, am I the only person whose opinion of Mueller hasn't changed?

[Izzyeviel]

It'll be interesting to see what time Trump tweets about it. My hypothesis would be if its a while then its probably bad for him.

[ProudModerate2]

Everyone calm down.
Let's wait until we get more details of what is in the report.

[Nyvin]

Why make this a friday night news dump?

[Progressive Pessimist]

Everyone calm down.
Let's wait until we get more details of what is in the report.

*Profusely breathes in brown paper bag*

[OBD]

It'll be interesting to see what time Trump tweets about it. My hypothesis would be if its a while then its probably bad for him.

We'll also get to see if Barr delivers the report to Trump early. If he's tweeting about it before tomorrow, Barr did .-.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Robert Mueller is one of the greatest Republicans since Lincoln. Pure class!

LOL, am I the only person whose opinion of Mueller hasn't changed?

Nope.  I respected him as a man of integrity before, and I still do now (whatever the report says).

[Crumpets]

If I may elevate my hot takes to one level more meta, Democrats are actually killing it on the expectations game for once.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Robert Mueller is one of the greatest Republicans since Lincoln. Pure class!

LOL, am I the only person whose opinion of Mueller hasn't changed?

No, I still think he’s a wanna be Pinochet.

[Zaybay]

Whats with the idea that Trump is suddenly going to become uber-popular now that the Muller Report may not yield an indictment? His approval has been extremely static for most of his presidency, people are baked in at this point to hate the guy or love the guy. The idea that Trump will become popular is ridiculous.

[Horus]

Whats with the idea that Trump is suddenly going to become uber-popular now that the Muller Report may not yield an indictment? His approval has been extremely static for most of his presidency, people are baked in at this point to hate the guy or love the guy. The idea that Trump will become popular is ridiculous.

Agreed, it'll at most go up a point or two.

[Person Man]

Whats with the idea that Trump is suddenly going to become uber-popular now that the Muller Report may not yield an indictment? His approval has been extremely static for most of his presidency, people are baked in at this point to hate the guy or love the guy. The idea that Trump will become popular is ridiculous.

Maybe not Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton popular. I can see him going from being between considerable and mildly unpopular to being simply controversial the way Obama was between 2010 and 2015. With those kind of numbers, he probably wins in a way that is a mix of 2004 and 2012. He probably nearly wins the popular vote but probably loses Michigan and Pennsylvania but wins New Hampshire and Wisconsin. That will most likely be because of some blue-collar people “coming home” but is offset by modesty  well to do and educated coming home, too. Also, a third party spoiler might not be there. So in total, I see him basically doing slightly worse than Bush in 2004 but it will pretty much seal it when he wins Florida and Arizona  by 3 and  Iowa, Georgia and Ohio by 6. He might win Texas by 10 and only lose Colorado and Virginia by 2 or 3. It will be more like an anti1976, really. He probably gets to 55 senators and maybe like 210 in the house.

This is all assuming that the report is as benign as it currently seems and We never figure out why everybody keeps on living off of loans and there’s  virtually no inflation.