Should the US Senate be abolished and the Presidency + Supreme Court weakened?
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All Along The Watchtower
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« on: March 16, 2019, 10:52:43 AM »

In other words, should the US House of Representatives = the legislative branch, and the Presidency/executive branch (excluding career civil servants, as opposed to political appointees) and Supreme Court/federal judiciary in general be weakened?

Explain your reasoning either way.
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2019, 05:00:20 PM »

Tbh, I think the senate should revert to being indirectly elected, but also lose essentially all its powers and become a Bundesrat style chamber.
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2019, 10:04:08 PM »

Keep the senate, weaken the other two.

The presidency should not have the power to do much if not most of what it does via executive actions. The standard operating procedure of the government should be enact policies by passing laws.

The Supreme Court should be weakened at least in theory, but I'm honestly not sure how it can be done. Frankly the Courts strike down too many laws simply because the judges don't like them rather than that they are actually unconstitutional.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2019, 11:20:10 PM »

No. The Senate is the greatest bulwark against democracy ever invented.
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2019, 11:41:56 AM »

The Senate needs to go (expanding the size of the House and making it the sole legislative chamber), the Presidency can remain the way it is, and the Supreme Court needs to be reformed in the way it is chosen (nominees should require a 2/3 vote in the Senate AND the House, for example, and the justices should serve for 10 year terms, upon which they can be reappointed via the same process if they are the chosen nominee of the President).
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2019, 11:46:14 AM »

No, it is a good idea in principle to have a smaller deliberative legislative body. It needs to be slightly weakened and be proportioned to population, though.
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« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2019, 11:28:57 PM »

The Senate needs to be kept as it is, the House needs to be expanded though in line with cube root or similar rules to re-allign with the spirit of the Constitution if not the letter in terms of size of the districts, so that it better represents the people as it was intended.

Executive Power does need to be curtailed but the Supreme Court is an important restraint of the other branches.

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2019, 11:35:26 AM »

No. The Senate is the greatest bulwark against democracy ever invented.

Would have you supported the old House of Lords on similar grounds?
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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2019, 07:31:48 PM »

That doesn’t fix that our system is gerrymandered nor representative of what the people want by crude pluralities from a limited field of choices. Keep everything matching of the people while getting rid of barriers on democracy, anything else is regressive rubbish.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2019, 07:38:14 AM »

If we're so adamant about retaining representation of the states, then Senate should be reconstructed into something like the German Bundesrat.
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2019, 02:10:25 AM »

Since the filibuster is no longer needed, judicial nominations and reconciliation, the Senate under McConnell leadership is running under majority rule. Its only a matter of time, when Dems get back in power, before legislative filibuster goes.

The Senate is already not a parliament anymore and term limits need to be added to Judges, judges used to live only til 65, now they are living as long as presidents
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2019, 08:24:53 AM »

The Senate needs to be kept as it is, the House needs to be expanded though in line with cube root or similar rules to re-allign with the spirit of the Constitution if not the letter in terms of size of the districts, so that it better represents the people as it was intended.

Executive Power does need to be curtailed but the Supreme Court is an important restraint of the other branches.


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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2019, 10:40:21 AM »

No. The Senate is the greatest bulwark against democracy ever invented.

And somehow that's a good thing?!
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2019, 12:33:17 PM »

No. The Senate is the greatest bulwark against democracy ever invented.

Would have you supported the old House of Lords on similar grounds?

Yes, I would have. Britain's current crisis is a great example of the peril of over-democratization that has gripped the West since WWII.
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2019, 02:01:15 PM »

No. The Senate is the greatest bulwark against democracy ever invented.

Would have you supported the old House of Lords on similar grounds?

Yes, I would have. Britain's current crisis is a great example of the peril of over-democratization that has gripped the West since WWII.

I'm not sure if we could consider post-WWII Britain as an example of "over-democratization", given that since then the power decisively shifted from the parliament, a body of elected representatives, to the Prime Ministership, largely relegating MPs to the role of voting machines in service of a singular leader. That is until the utter clusterf**k happened in relation to Brexit.
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