Politico: Florida dems unload on sanders in Venezuela controversy, Shalala angry

[vileplume]

Shalala was an absolute trash candidate, while Salazar was an exceptional one. Shalala barely won in 2016 even tho Hillary won it by 20 points. She's an old has been who should have let new blood come forward

Yes, a young fresh Latino candidate can win back that district.

Except the GOP is in charge of redistricting in Florida and they'll almost certainly shift the boundaries of the 27th (or whatever its successor seat number is) to be significantly more Republican. They'll be well aware that the district still voted for Biden despite kicking out Shalala and thus will definitely want to shore up Salazar. What they'll probably do is strip the seat of some or all of its its most liberal areas in Miami Beach, downtown Miami and Ocean View Heights and shift it north towards Hialeah. This'll likely be a pretty challenging seat for the Dems to win, especially with a strong incumbent, unless of course the Republicans ever crater with Cubans again like in 2016.

[Devils30]

It won't be easy for Rs to keep 3 seats in Dade, especially if things post-Trump revert back a bit.

[lfromnj]

It won't be easy for Rs to keep 3 seats in Dade, especially if things post-Trump revert back a bit.

Oh yeah it won't be easy at all, you can barely draw 3 Desantis/Scott seats though.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead.

And they're still trying to blame it on Bernie. That's the best part.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would have also lost and dragged the party down even more

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Are you seriously trying to argue that those exact issues would not have been worse if Bernie was the nom?

[Roll Roons]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Yes, it did. The rise of Bernie and AOC as prominent figures in the party made Biden and other Democrats more vulnerable to those attacks.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Yes, it did. The rise of Bernie and AOC as prominent figures in the party made Biden and other Democrats more vulnerable to those attacks.

If neoliberals can't figure out how to win, that's their own damn fault.

[MARGINS6729]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Yes, it did. The rise of Bernie and AOC as prominent figures in the party made Biden and other Democrats more vulnerable to those attacks.

This is 100% correct- however, the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, the Florida Democratic Party,Biden's campaign, and Biden himself all failed in organizing, outreach, and messaging and got complacent and the right went into full disinformation/propaganda mode in the county. Spanish radio down there has a lot of Rush Limbaugh personalities as well as incredibly over the top and effective propaganda. Read this to get an insight into it: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/meet-the-youtube-star-whos-pushing-a-generation-of-floridas-cuban-voters-to-trump/

[Kamala's side hoe]

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Yes, it did. The rise of Bernie and AOC as prominent figures in the party made Biden and other Democrats more vulnerable to those attacks.

This is 100% correct- however, the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, the Florida Democratic Party,Biden's campaign, and Biden himself all failed in organizing, outreach, and messaging and got complacent and the right went into full disinformation/propaganda mode in the county. Spanish radio down there has a lot of Rush Limbaugh personalities as well as incredibly over the top and effective propaganda. Read this to get an insight into it: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/meet-the-youtube-star-whos-pushing-a-generation-of-floridas-cuban-voters-to-trump/

Damn... I don’t think any other ethnic group that swung hard R this year really has an equivalent to Alex Otaola.

So, with Trump's gains among Latinos and Asians, along with a tiny dent among Black men...if the GOP wants to be viable going forward, they need to take a page out of the Ford Nation playbook.

I know that we were warned about it, and may have wrongly dismissed it, but I am still so baffled that this happened.

What is unknown is if they were just fans of Trump and not the GOP.

True, I do think that a more conventional Republican would go back to doing as bad as Romney did. I just can't wrap my head around how people of color can make excuses for someone so bigoted. I get it when white people do it, but maybe it's some sort of reverse-intersectionality where different minority groups like that Trump disparages certain others? Is it strictly stuff like taxes? I know that the "Socialism!" fear apparently has resonated more than usual with some.

There's always been some bad blood among different nonwhite groups. Anti-Blackness among Asians and Latinos, Anti-Asian attitudes among blacks and Latinos, Anti-Spanish prejudice among Asians and ADOS blacks, etc. Anti-China sentiment was definitely a factor in most of the Asian R swings.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If your plan to win elections in the future is "make the left disappear somehow", you don't have a plan. The left is here to stay. So better start coming up with a different strategy. All that whining does nothing for you.

[Donerail]

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill

This argument relies on a lack of appreciation for the diversity of groups clustered under the label of "Hispanic". Dade County swung hard to Trump, sure, but the second and third-largest swings in the state were in Osceola and Hendry. Osceola is all Puerto Ricans — U.S. citizens who have absolutely no reason to care about socialism. Hendry is Mexicans, who similarly have no reason to care about CASTROCHAVISMO.

Claiming that "all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because "muh socialism" attacks" is just fundamentally false. There was a broader trend among lots of Hispanic groups that cannot be explained by their feelings about socialism. At worst, it cost Democrats a couple points with Cubans and Venezuelans on top of a broader and more important trend. Subtract Bernie & AOC, maybe you cut the margin in Dade a bit, but you still lose the state because of swings to Trump among both Cuban and non-Cuban Hispanic voters.

[lfromnj]

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Yes, it did. The rise of Bernie and AOC as prominent figures in the party made Biden and other Democrats more vulnerable to those attacks.

This is 100% correct- however, the Miami-Dade Democratic Party, the Florida Democratic Party,Biden's campaign, and Biden himself all failed in organizing, outreach, and messaging and got complacent and the right went into full disinformation/propaganda mode in the county. Spanish radio down there has a lot of Rush Limbaugh personalities as well as incredibly over the top and effective propaganda. Read this to get an insight into it: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/10/meet-the-youtube-star-whos-pushing-a-generation-of-floridas-cuban-voters-to-trump/

Damn... I don’t think any other ethnic group that swung hard R this year really has an equivalent to Alex Otaola.

Orthodox jews have Heschy tischlsr ? Most of them were Trump but some had some connections to Clinton

[Kamala's side hoe]

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill

This argument relies on a lack of appreciation for the diversity of groups clustered under the label of "Hispanic". Dade County swung hard to Trump, sure, but the second and third-largest swings in the state were in Osceola and Hendry. Osceola is all Puerto Ricans — U.S. citizens who have absolutely no reason to care about socialism. Hendry is Mexicans, who similarly have no reason to care about CASTROCHAVISMO.

Claiming that "all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because "muh socialism" attacks" is just fundamentally false. There was a broader trend among lots of Hispanic groups that cannot be explained by their feelings about socialism. At worst, it cost Democrats a couple points with Cubans and Venezuelans on top of a broader and more important trend. Subtract Bernie & AOC, maybe you cut the margin in Dade a bit, but you still lose the state because of swings to Trump among both Cuban and non-Cuban Hispanic voters.

https://twitter.com/stoic5134/status/1328057023603335169

https://twitter.com/bryancb/status/1328048424508243970

[John Dule]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Are you seriously trying to argue that those exact issues would not of been worse if Bernie was the nom?

"Would of" is not a substitute for "would have."

[PSOL]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Are you seriously trying to argue that those exact issues would not of been worse if Bernie was the nom?

"Would of" is not a substitute for "would have."

Are you some kind of grammar manager?

[Bomster]

Why is it okay for Republicans to have right-wing lunatics running their party but when someone is outspokenly leftist in the Democratic Party they ruin the party’s image?

[John Dule]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Are you seriously trying to argue that those exact issues would not of been worse if Bernie was the nom?

"Would of" is not a substitute for "would have."

Are you some kind of grammar manager?

I normally wouldn't say anything but he's done it more than once on this page alone. Better to tell him now rather than let him expose himself to ridicule later in life.

[Hindsight was 2020]

It's crazy how big a deal they made of Bernie being terrible for Florida and yet they bombed so hard with "electable" Biden instead. Good riddance to Shalala.

As someone who loves Bernie and back in January wanted him to win I don’t know how you can look at what happened across the board and how Dems got killed in areas on “muh socialism” with Biden of all people on the top ballot and not conclude Bernie would of lost and dragged the party down even more

You don't lose during a pandemic because of "muh socialism", you lose for other reasons.

Trump ran on “muh socialism”, all the polling data showed Biden had weak Hispanic support in Florida because “muh socialism” attacks, democratic operations on the ground were saying they were getting hit hard over “muh socialism”, and the group that swung to Trump the hardest (Cubans) are notorious on their views of “muh socialism”. But right it was probably about the 94 crime bill 🙄

None of that had anything to do with Bernie.

Are you seriously trying to argue that those exact issues would not of been worse if Bernie was the nom?

"Would of" is not a substitute for "would have."

Are you some kind of grammar manager?

I normally wouldn't say anything but he's done it more than once on this page alone. Better to tell him now rather than let him expose himself to ridicule later in life.

I appreciate the grammar reminder but I think you’re giving too much credit to the general public if you think that’s a mistake many would notice let alone ridicule

[vileplume]

It won't be easy for Rs to keep 3 seats in Dade, especially if things post-Trump revert back a bit.

Oh yeah it won't be easy at all, you can barely draw 3 Desantis/Scott seats though.

It's not hard at all. All you need to do is shove Homestead into a Dem coastal vote sink.



This I only did quickly. You could probably get significantly better than this especially getting the 29th more GOP (I'm assuming Florida will gain 2 seats in reapportionment).

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

3 barely DeSantis/Scott seats sounds like a recipe for a dummymander if the Cuban vote ever collapses again, which as noted it did in 2016 and there's no reason it couldn't again. Imagine if Biden's outreach to the Cuban community for the next four years goes well and/or Maduro is ousted.