Politico: Florida dems unload on sanders in Venezuela controversy, Shalala angry

[Matty]

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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/21/bernie-sanders-venezuela-maduro-1179636

[Roll Roons]

Yeahhhhhhh, if he's the nominee the Dems should honestly just triage Florida and go all in for Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Iowa.

[Woody]

If Sanders was the nominee would Trump win by 5 points in Florida like Bush did?

[junior chįmp]

In real life nobody cares but political operatives and consultants who have a vested interest in grifting money from gullible campaign managers will make a big deal about it.

[Landslide Lyndon]

In real life nobody cares but political operatives and consultants who have a vested interest in grifting money from gullible campaign managers will make a big deal about it.

Sanders could be caught with a live boy/dead girl and you'd still say the same thing.

[junior chįmp]

In real life nobody cares but political operatives and consultants who have a vested interest in grifting money from gullible campaign managers will make a big deal about it.

Sanders could be caught with a live boy/dead girl and you'd still say the same thing.

whats your point again? nobody gives a flying duck about Sanders opinion on Venezuela.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

He’s not entirely wrong. Maduro is authoritarian but there are still institutions in the government that can stop or slow him down, as we’re seeing now with the two dueling Presidents.

I’m not rooting for Maduro but I’m opposed to his removal by coup or military intervention. If the people of Venezuela are willing to elect him democratically in 2013 in spite of the fact that he claimed Hugo Chavez’s spirit spoke to him through a parrot, than they should be willing to storm the palace and give him the Ceausesceau treatment.

The same goes for Cuba and Cubans. I don’t know why we insist on bringing “refugees” (ie wealthier dissidents fleeing abroad) from these countries when there are Haitians living in absolute squalor. If anything, we should be directing our resources towards Haiti.

[Skye]

He’s not entirely wrong. Maduro is authoritarian but there are still institutions in the government that can stop or slow him down, as we’re seeing now with the two dueling Presidents.

This is not entirely right. Maduro essentially rendered the National Assembly (the only power in the country not loyal to him) useless since the opposition was sworn in as a super majority in 2016. As such, the National Assembly is in a limbo in that they enjoy recognition overseas and are allowed to hold sessions but can't do jack, really. Furthermore, in 2017, Maduro called for an illegal Constituent Assembly that is packed with his supporters and tried to usurp the functions of the National Assembly. The reason this crisis seems to be working against Maduro is because international recognition of Guaidó; since said countries agree that the previous presidential election was a sham and thus Maduro is illegitimate, it allowed Guaidó to use the constitution and swear himself as president. This wouldn't be working if it weren't for the huge international pressure, that not is being put not only by the US, but by most of the Americas and a significant part of Europe. Please don't think this is completely working out internally without help from abroad, because it's not. The international pressure alone is the reason Guaidó hasn't been sent to jail.

OT, Bernie's comments really struck a nerve with me, since stating that he doesn't recognize Guaidó is doing us Venezuelans a huge disservice. That said, I don't really think that would instantly doom his chances in FL. After all, it's not as if the Venezuelan american vote is that large.

[Shadows]

But when he was asked whether he recognized Guaidó as the legitimate leader of the country, Sanders answered, “No.” "There are serious questions about the recent election. There are many people who feel it was a fraudulent election," Sanders added. In a follow-up question, Ramos asked Sanders if he thought Maduro is a dictator who should step down. Sanders refused to say yes or no.

"I think clearly he has been very, very abusive,” Sanders replied. “That is a decision of the Venezuelan people, so I think, Jorge, there's got to be a free and fair election. But what must not happen is that the United States must not use military force and intervene again as it has done in the past in Latin America, as you recall, whether it was Chile or Brazil or the Dominican Republic or Guatemala.” Sanders also said that he believes “the United States has got to work with the international community to make sure that there is a free and fair election in Venezuela.”

After Shalala posted her disagreement with Sanders on Twitter, the Vermont senator’s deputy chief of staff, Ari Rabin-Havt, replied to her that “this view represents the long and horrific history of American politicians imposing their will on the people of Latin America. Bernie stands with the Venezuelan people to demand free and fair elections and for self-determination for all people around the world.” Rabin-Havt also noted Sanders has condemned Maduro.

This is SLANDER & also a pretty idiotic line of attack. Essentially Sanders questioned the legitimacy of the last election where Maduro & called for Fresh elections in Venezuela. Why the f**k should be endorse Guaido or get involved in this Civil War of sorts? It is upto the people of Venezuela to decide who they want not the US !

This regime change policy & explicitly murder of innocent people though US intervention has to stop. US has no business involving in Venezuela.

[Pyro]

1) Sanders clearly opposes Maduro as well as U.S. regime change politics. Those fuming over Sanders' comments were never on his side to begin with (seriously, we're quoting Shalala in an article about Bernie Sanders?).

2) The Florida Democratic Party has some real nerve acting as if they have any shred of authority speaking to the concerns of voters after their successive electoral debacles. 

[Grassroots]

And they say Gabbard is the one who is cozy with dictators. You can no longer say anything.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This directly links Sanders to socialism, that Trump can paint him on. Go, Harris.

[They not like us]

This directly links Sanders to socialism, that Trump can paint him on. Go, Harris.

Yup, this is the thing that links Sanders to socialism. That'll sink his campaign when everyone finds out.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Dems try to keep grifter who has never invested in the infrastructure of their party until publicly criticized  from becoming its leader, News at 11.

[Comrade Funk]

But what does Tim Canova think? Or is he still claiming voter fraud after getting 3%? XD

[ON Progressive]

Lmao. Bernie is against Maduro, but also against regime change. That’s a perfectly reasonable position, no matter what Donna “I did 14 points worse than Hillary in a blue wave year” Shalala thinks.

[NEW JERSEY FOR MENENDEZ]

Lmao. Bernie is against Maduro, but also against regime change. That’s a perfectly reasonable position, no matter what Donna “I did 14 points worse than Hillary in a blue wave year” Shalala thinks.

False equivalency but ok

[kelestian]

Lmao. Bernie is against Maduro, but also against regime change. That’s a perfectly reasonable position, no matter what Donna “I did 14 points worse than Hillary in a blue wave year” Shalala thinks.

That's actually form of "blame on both sides"

Also Maduro is doing regime change, not the US.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Bernie said Maduro is a bad person. He just doesn't support regime change because we always make things worse. Shalala's salary as head of the Clinton Foundation was paid for by Saudi money.

[Comrade Funk]

Bernie said Maduro is a bad person. He just doesn't support regime change because we always make things worse. Shalala's salary as head of the Clinton Foundation was paid for by Saudi money.

Drink

[Sestak]

>Shalala

[NEW JERSEY FOR MENENDEZ]

Bernie said Maduro is a bad person. He just doesn't support regime change because we always make things worse. Shalala's salary as head of the Clinton Foundation was paid for by Saudi money.

Drink

[Biden Stans Are Cringelords]

Bernie standing up to US imperialism and oil industry. Fantastic.

[Hammy]

1) Sanders clearly opposes Maduro as well as U.S. regime change politics. Those fuming over Sanders' comments were never on his side to begin with (seriously, we're quoting Shalala in an article about Bernie Sanders?).

2) The Florida Democratic Party has some real nerve acting as if they have any shred of authority speaking to the concerns of voters after their successive electoral debacles. 

Florida's state party has voided their right to even exist after blowing both the governor and senate races last year so while I'm not supportive of Bernie because nobody from 2016 should run ever again for anything, the fact that they're coming out so hard against him is making me strongly reconsider.

[Mr. Smith]

Could barely ask for a better compliment, considering Florida Dems' instincts.