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« on: February 19, 2019, 12:58:33 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2019, 01:14:42 AM »

Hyper-zionist evangelical Christians
Various groups of Chassidic Jews and other random Jews
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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2019, 01:19:40 AM »

At least half of Americans
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2019, 01:33:29 AM »


hell yeah let's roll!
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2019, 02:17:16 AM »

Definitely the same republicans who support bombing any and all vaguely middle eastern sounding countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/republican-voters-bomb-agrabah-disney-aladdin-donald-trump
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2019, 02:47:17 AM »

Define intervention.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2019, 02:49:41 AM »


Interestingly enough 19% of Democrats said the same thing.

60% of Democrats also oppose withdrawing from Syria.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2019, 02:52:13 AM »


Please don’t, I’m this close to switching to a maroon avatar if you guys will have me.

Especially if we nominate another neocon.  Unamused
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2019, 03:09:16 AM »

People who LOVE the film "Team America: World Police" but don't understand that it's satire.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2019, 03:16:47 AM »

Wealthy Iranian exiles.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2019, 08:19:05 AM »
« Edited: February 19, 2019, 08:26:16 AM by Crumpets »

I think the US should participate in UN-backed interventions as party of a broad coalition. And I think in some cases (Syria) the UN security council is incapable of an impartial ruling and the US should be able to act with some more discretion, while still in coordinating with global and regional partners. But I'm guessing that still falls under the category of "hawkish warmongering" these days.

Put another way, I don't think the US should ever wash our hands of genocide and say it's "not our problem" so long as our asylum system remains as broken as it is.
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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2019, 08:33:57 AM »

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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2019, 08:41:13 AM »
« Edited: February 19, 2019, 08:51:45 AM by Crumpets »

Also, one very important point that I think is missed on a lot of Americans - US intervention abroad is not opposed by people in these countries anywhere near as much as some will have you believe. I wonder how many of the "not our problem" non-interventionists have actually talked to someone from a country where the US has intervened post-Cold War and are conveying that person's opinion, and how many are just trying to use their position as a privileged white person to put words in their mouth and speak on their behalf about why they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and fix their own problems.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2019, 08:46:04 AM »


Please don’t, I’m this close to switching to a maroon avatar if you guys will have me.

Especially if we nominate another neocon.  Unamused
Luckily for you Democrats never nominate neocons!
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2019, 08:47:30 AM »

Depends on what you mean by 'intervention'. If you mean in its broadest, most literal sense, the answer would be 'people with brains', though if you mean wanting to go ahead and nuke Iran I suspect it'll mostly be the same sort of economically-stagnant, low educated, small-town nationalists who are behind most bad foreign policy because they use the machismo of the country as a proxy for self-worth.

Also, one very important point that I think is missed on a lot of Americans - US intervention abroad is not opposed by people in these countries anywhere near as much as some will have you believe. I wonder how many of the "not our problem" non-interventionists have actually talked to someone from a country where the US has intervened post-Cold War and conveying their opinion, and how many are just trying to use their position as a privileged white person to put words in their mouth and speak on their behalf about why they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and fix their own problems.

Extremely true.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2019, 09:40:33 AM »


Military action on the level to at least Lobya 2011 or Yugoslavia 1999.

Also, one very important point that I think is missed on a lot of Americans - US intervention abroad is not opposed by people in these countries anywhere near as much as some will have you believe.

Source?
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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2019, 10:29:54 AM »

I haven't seen anybody say this yet, for some reason, but clearly rich middle aged white men would probably be  the demographic that's most supportive of a neocon foreign policy.
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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2019, 01:15:21 PM »

Bigots. They happen across all types, though obviously white folks tend to be the worst re : folks in the middle East
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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2019, 01:17:43 PM »

Depending on how you phrase it, >60% of Americans.
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2019, 04:58:34 PM »

People who LOVE the film "Team America: World Police" but don't understand that it's satire.

Literally me lmao
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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 05:14:21 PM »

Eh, call me naive, but I still vaguely believe in the ideals of the responsibility to protect. If a country's government is unwilling or unable to protect its citizens from gross human rights violations - then it is no longer a sovereign nation and it is the rest of the world's responsibility what happens.

The issues with the implementation of this have tended to be motivated by geopolitical factors rather than anything else - poorly planned or half-hearted interventions where there is little perceived "return" (which really only shows how stupid and unfair it is to divide human beings into nations anyway). which is not to say that this is the inevitable outcome. Pretty much anyone would agree that the foreign interventions in Sierra Leone or Macedonia have left those countries far better off than they ever would have been otherwise.

Also, one very important point that I think is missed on a lot of Americans - US intervention abroad is not opposed by people in these countries anywhere near as much as some will have you believe. I wonder how many of the "not our problem" non-interventionists have actually talked to someone from a country where the US has intervened post-Cold War and are conveying that person's opinion, and how many are just trying to use their position as a privileged white person to put words in their mouth and speak on their behalf about why they should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and fix their own problems.
Absolutely this.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 06:10:58 PM »

People still stuck in 2005 like ExtremeConservative, HillGoose, and Dick Cheney.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 08:15:18 PM »

Blacks, hispanics, and 'other'.

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 08:18:20 PM »

Probably just HillGoose.
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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2019, 08:27:59 PM »


Military action on the level to at least Lobya 2011 or Yugoslavia 1999.

Also, one very important point that I think is missed on a lot of Americans - US intervention abroad is not opposed by people in these countries anywhere near as much as some will have you believe.

Source?

I was deliberately vague because good polling numbers are hard to come by, and the data is often hard to interpret, but here are some relevant datapoints:

ABC/WaPo/BBC poll (2010): 74% of Afghans say it was good for the US to have invaded

Global Policy Poll (2008): 49% of Iraqis say it was right for the US to have invaded, 50% say it was not right (in comparison, the numbers in the US at the time were 41% it was not a mistake to invade vs. 58% it was a mistake)

Gallup (2012): 75% of Libyans in favor of NATO intervention the previous year, 22% opposed
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