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« on: February 15, 2019, 02:43:55 PM »



Red: Woodrow Wilson (D)
Green: Theodore Roosevelt (Prohibition)
Blue: William H. Taft (Republican)
Maroon: Eugene V. Debs (Socialist)
Yellow: Eugene W. Chafin (Prohibition)
Light gray: "Others"

Roosevelt was the official Republican nominee in South Dakota.
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2019, 04:09:20 PM »

Wow, nice map, Kal!  It's almost too overwhelming for me to take much from it at first, haha.  The Roosevelt support in Mississippi and Alabama seems surprising, though I guess this is still at the time when there was still a heavy stigma for anyone with that "R" next to his name in the South.
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2019, 04:44:29 PM »

Wow, nice map, Kal!  It's almost too overwhelming for me to take much from it at first, haha.  The Roosevelt support in Mississippi and Alabama seems surprising, though I guess this is still at the time when there was still a heavy stigma for anyone with that "R" next to his name in the South.

You can add that TR actively campaigned in Dixie in 1912 (appalling many of his supporters, who thought, probably correctly, that it was a colossal waste of time and resources that could go to winnable states).
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2019, 07:24:17 PM »

Wow, nice map, Kal!  It's almost too overwhelming for me to take much from it at first, haha.  The Roosevelt support in Mississippi and Alabama seems surprising, though I guess this is still at the time when there was still a heavy stigma for anyone with that "R" next to his name in the South.

Thank you Smiley I'm sorry for not being able to find detailed results for TX and GA.

Results from the Solid South can be a bit confusing. For example, we see a TR or Debs-colored county in South Carolina here, but it usually meant they received a handful of votes. You notice that very few people turned out for general elections in South Carolina during the Solid South days, and not just in presidential election, as opposed to primaries. In 1912 Wilson took 95.94% of the SC vote, but in absolute numbers it meant just 48,355 people voting.

To put it in perspective, a hotly contested 1938 Democratic senatorial primary between "Cotton Ed" Smith and Olin D. Johnston saw 337,016 people turning to vote, of which only 45,861 turned up in November.

Interestingly Debs actually came in second in Florida, even though he only got 9.45%, as opposed to Wilson's 69.52%. Still, I believe that was the only state ever where a Socialist Party nominee took the silver. That is unless you discount 1924 La Follette's performance in California (he ran as Socialist there, similarly to being a NPL candidate in North Dakota).
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2019, 10:55:01 PM »

Texas:

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2019, 03:30:05 PM »

OKLAHOMA SECRET SOCIALISTS.

Bernie can win it.
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2019, 04:19:03 PM »

OKLAHOMA SECRET SOCIALISTS.

Bernie can win it.

Obviously this has next to ZERO relevance to modern day politics, but it does completely destroy the myth that White rural voters have always necessarily preferred conservatism all the time.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2019, 12:55:42 AM »

OKLAHOMA SECRET SOCIALISTS.

Bernie can win it.

Obviously this has next to ZERO relevance to modern day politics, but it does completely destroy the myth that White rural voters have always necessarily preferred conservatism all the time.

IIRC Oklahoma was Debs' best showing, percentage-wise.
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2019, 12:58:49 AM »

1912 by third place:



Blank denotes either places I had no data for or places where there were no votes for a third candidate at all.
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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2019, 01:01:29 AM »

And, since it was somehow of a four-way race (OK, maybe thre-way and a half), fourth places by county:



Lack of votes for a fourth candidate is most evident with the Carolinas.
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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2019, 09:36:20 AM »

OKLAHOMA SECRET SOCIALISTS.

Bernie can win it.

Obviously this has next to ZERO relevance to modern day politics, but it does completely destroy the myth that White rural voters have always necessarily preferred conservatism all the time.

IIRC Oklahoma was Debs' best showing, percentage-wise.

Yeah Ik. I think his second best was MN?

#populistironrange.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_County,_Minnesota#Politics

Voted for Debs in 1912 and then after 32 is still voting Democrat by 20 point landslides in basically every year but 56(19.9)  72(17 ponts) 2000(18 points and probably ralph nader) and in 2016 Trump almost won it but it is the whitest county Hillary Clinton won.
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