Newsom kills California High Speed Rail

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Yup, Newsom did what Republicans couldn't do, and killed it, leaving only a Bakersfield to Merced rump line. So his plan is to just do nothing? It would cost even more to build the freeway lanes and airport runways to provide the capacity that HSR would have.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/central-valley-high-speed-rail-merced-bakersfield-13610732.php

[President Johnson]

This is quite embarrassing. America is lagging behind with electrified highspeed rails. The Europeans, Japanese and Chinese are so far ahead, and even California can't build a single one?

[Del Tachi]

Good deal.  Glad I endorsed him.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

National progressive leader Glorious Gavin

[Fight for Trump]

Good deal.  Glad I endorsed him.

[DrScholl]

The map was logistically difficult and needed work, that was the biggest issue. It wasn't the conservative trope of scrimping and hoarding every dollar to neglect infrastructure (like in many red states). High speed rail is a good idea, but getting a line from Los Angeles to San Francisco is challenging to say the least.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Building useless rail to own Trump!

Well hopefully it gets put to good use in the future with some sort of expansion when someone adequate takes over.

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The map was logistically difficult and needed work, that was the biggest issue. It wasn't the conservative trope of scrimping and hoarding every dollar to neglect infrastructure (like in many red states). High speed rail is a good idea, but getting a line from Los Angeles to San Francisco is challenging to say the least.

There are that could probably bring down the cost, such as having the line to the bay area follow I-580 and end at the Dublin/Pleasanton (or a possible Livermore) BART station, and leave HSR in the bay area for a later project, but instead he just killed the whole thing.

[ProudModerate2]

Living here in California, I have to admit I had concerns about the huge and ever growing costs to building it. Yes it would be nice, and yes it would be good for our nation to have and use this new technology.

Where I think it should be used is for a high-speed train line to be built between Southern California (probably somewhere near the city of Ontario, which has an airport) and Las Vegas.
You have vast lands of unused desert, and more open land for the route.

I bet that California could get Nevada to help fund it, and especially get those rich casinos in Vegas to help pay for it (hell, maybe have those casinos pay for the vast majority of it). Vegas casinos have seen less visitors from SoCal because of all the new Indian Reservation casinos. So having a high-speed train line would help Vegas casinos to regain that loss.

[Sestak]

tbf this really shouldn't have been a surprise.

[lfromnj]

Living here in California, I have to admit I had concerns about the huge and ever growing costs to building it. Yes it would be nice, and yes it would be good for our nation to have and use this new technology.

Where I think it should be used is for a high-speed train line to be built between Southern California (probably somewhere near the city of Ontario, which has an airport) and Las Vegas.
You have vast lands of unused desert, and more open land for the route.

I bet that California could get Nevada to help fund it, and especially get those rich casinos in Vegas to help pay for it (hell, maybe have those casinos pay for the vast majority of it). Vegas casinos have seen less visitors from SoCal because of all the new Indian Reservation casinos. So having a high-speed train line would help Vegas casinos to regain that loss.

Maybe the rail is the only way to get into las vegas without a passport or atleast 20000 dollars.

[kelestian]

High-speed rails in most circumstances are very expensive to build and to use, and they lose competition to ordinary trains. If i am correct, that thing (from the already existing systems) is economically justifiable only in Japan.

[Oryxslayer]

Finally. This sh**t was passed without the proper planning or Budget. The entire point of the rump line was to get something visible, so that legislators couldn't back out. As fine as I am with High Speed Rail, this project has been a travesty since inception. So much money with so little to show, over-budget and way off schedule...this project was political dead weight.

[junior chįmp]

By the time that thing was finally finished....we'll probably have invented teleportation

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

This is quite embarrassing. America is lagging behind with electrified highspeed rails. The Europeans, Japanese and Chinese are so far ahead, and even California can't build a single one?

High speed rail on a wide scale level is just not feasible in the US.

Here's a video explaining why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ

[Fight for Trump]

High-speed rails in most circumstances are very expensive to build and to use, and they lose competition to ordinary trains. If i am correct, that thing (from the already existing systems) is economically justifiable only in Japan.

They are definitely justifiable in China, but it is obviously different because of its state capitalist government, stunted air travel network, and constant air travel delays due to the military controlling most airspace.

[kelestian]

High-speed rails in most circumstances are very expensive to build and to use, and they lose competition to ordinary trains. If i am correct, that thing (from the already existing systems) is economically justifiable only in Japan.

They are definitely justifiable in China, but it is obviously different because of its state capitalist government, stunted air travel network, and constant air travel delays due to the military controlling most airspace.

I mean, right now they are not profitable (in China)
https://amp.ft.com/content/ca28f58a-955d-11e8-b747-fb1e803ee64e

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

High-speed rails in most circumstances are very expensive to build and to use, and they lose competition to ordinary trains. If i am correct, that thing (from the already existing systems) is economically justifiable only in Japan.

They are definitely justifiable in China, but it is obviously different because of its state capitalist government, stunted air travel network, and constant air travel delays due to the military controlling most airspace.

I mean, right now they are not profitable (in China)
https://amp.ft.com/content/ca28f58a-955d-11e8-b747-fb1e803ee64e

Roads aren't profitable either, and the roads and airway expansions we'd need to take the place of CA HSR would cost more than HSR.

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Trash decision from a trash governor. And now he wants to spend $200 billion on single payer. Finish the line before 2030! Reroute it via Altamont for savings. Fortunately, I don't expect the legislature to go along.

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/CaHSRA/status/1095440690115301376

https://twitter.com/CaHSRA/status/1095440690710904832

https://twitter.com/CaHSRA/status/1095440691243581441

https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1095445893011013632

[MasterJedi]

Streetcar is running fine in Milwaukee right now while we have massive backups and accidents everywhere from the snow. Sounds like useless cars (cost more per mile by a LOT as well).

[courts]

The map was logistically difficult and needed work, that was the biggest issue. It wasn't the conservative trope of scrimping and hoarding every dollar to neglect infrastructure (like in many red states). High speed rail is a good idea, but getting a line from Los Angeles to San Francisco is challenging to say the least.

There are that could probably bring down the cost, such as having the line to the bay area follow I-580 and end at the Dublin/Pleasanton (or a possible Livermore) BART station, and leave HSR in the bay area for a later project, but instead he just killed the whole thing.

inclined to agree with this

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

The map was logistically difficult and needed work, that was the biggest issue. It wasn't the conservative trope of scrimping and hoarding every dollar to neglect infrastructure (like in many red states). High speed rail is a good idea, but getting a line from Los Angeles to San Francisco is challenging to say the least.

There are that could probably bring down the cost, such as having the line to the bay area follow I-580 and end at the Dublin/Pleasanton (or a possible Livermore) BART station, and leave HSR in the bay area for a later project, but instead he just killed the whole thing.

This is correct, although at that point, you just need to tunnel to Union City and restore Dumbarton to get to DTSF, which would probably warrant the ridership increases. At least by getting it to BART, you could kill the San Joaquin service, and redirect that somewhere more useful. Perhaps a bridge toll or 580/5 toll could pay for it all?

[Coastal Elitist]

That's a step in the right direction. However I can't see there being a high demand to travel between Bakersfield and Merced. The whole project should be cancelled.

Also the end of the article says this:
By afternoon, however, Newsom's office said that he is fully committed to building a high-speed rail line between Los Angeles and San Francisco, despite his comments during his State of the State speech.

[Ban my account ffs!]

That's a step in the right direction. However I can't see there being a high demand to travel between Bakersfield and Merced. The whole project should be cancelled.

Also the end of the article says this:
By afternoon, however, Newsom's office said that he is fully committed to building a high-speed rail line between Los Angeles and San Francisco, despite his comments during his State of the State speech.

How many car trips have you canceled because the speed limit wasn't 70mph from point A to B?



Yeah, I thought so.