Virginia megathread

[Thatkat04]

We have a thread for this.

[adrac]

Even if Northam was involved in the leak, accusing him of conspiring to deny Fairfax the governorship is not a good look. Doesn't really give him credibility points if he wants us to believe his story over the accuser's.

[DavidB.]

#BelieveWomen

[wesmoorenerd]

Even if Northam was involved in the leak, accusing him of conspiring to deny Fairfax the governorship is not a good look. Doesn't really give him credibility points if he wants us to believe his story over the accuser's.

I really doubt Northam is behind this. The last thing he needs is something like that coming to light and putting even more fire under his ass.

[Hammy]

Even if Northam was involved in the leak, accusing him of conspiring to deny Fairfax the governorship is not a good look. Doesn't really give him credibility points if he wants us to believe his story over the accuser's.

I really doubt Northam is behind this. The last thing he needs is something like that coming to light and putting even more fire under his ass.

Honestly it wouldn't be surprising since he can't run for reelection so doesn't have a whole lot to lose at this point.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Yes the sitting Governor who nearly moonwalked and bragged about winning a Michael Jackson dance competition in blackface at a press conference where he said he wasn’t wearing blackface that same year in that yearbook photo the day after apologizing for that same photo clearly has the political instincts to successfully undercut his rival.

Governor Moonwalk is playing 4D underwater chess folks.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Quiet, professorlike Mark Herring being behind this all as a long-game plan to take the Governorship is the conclusion to this whole affair we deserve.

[LabourJersey]

Yes the sitting Governor who nearly moonwalked and bragged about winning a Michael Jackson dance competition in blackface at a press conference where he said he wasn’t wearing blackface that same year in that yearbook photo the day after apologizing for that same photo clearly has the political instincts to successfully undercut his rival.

Governor Moonwalk is playing 4D underwater chess folks.

You don't have to be a 4D Chess master to put out allegations to hurt a rival, though. It's actually pretty simple.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

The difference is that Dr. Ford's attempted rape allegations were extremely credible and more likely than not true, as were a second woman's (Deborah Ramirez was her name IIRC) sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh.  There's a big difference between saying a would-be rapist facing extremely credible allegations of both attempted rape and sexual assault does not belong on the Supreme Court and making up false allegations to try to smear a political opponent.

Many of Dr. Ford's allegations were unfounded or were discredited, to say nothing of the holes in the allegations made by both Deborah Ramirez and Julie Swetnick, especially Swetnick.

As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

Well founded allegations versus non credible allegations art related to Party politics. You really are a hack.

My views over the Kavanaugh hearings have changed over the past few months. While I still think that Trump should have pulled his nomination and put forth Kethledge or Hardiman in Kavanaugh's place, I also believe that there was a serious rush to judgment in the matter.

Dr. Ford and Deborah Ramirez’s allegations were both extremely credible and in no way discredited.  If you think otherwise, please post specific, non-op-ed evidence to support your claims from credible sources.  The Swatnick stuff was likely a false allegation, but no one took her claims that seriously for more than like half-a-day and they’re also irrelevant given that I didn’t even bring them up.  Just b/c C is not true, doesn’t mean A or B aren’t true.

I would refer you to the memo written by the prosecutor who questioned Dr. Ford: https://static.politico.com/28/7f/80157df74b96bb352b10f8b7aa66/09-30-18-mitchell-memo-ford-allegations.pdf.

You mean the one appointed by Senate Republicans to question Dr. Ford for them?  Yeah, that’s not exactly the most objective source nor did you cite anything specific.

[henster]

I've gotten the impression lately that Northam is nothing more than a bumbling buffoon of a politician not some master tactician who can cunningly undermine his rivals. And I've never got that vibe from him, I've always saw him as the congenial country doctor.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

My favorite part is Fairfax’s humblebrag about her being “VERY interested in me”.

[Fight for Trump]

BOTH SIDES DO IT

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/ryanobles/status/1092526078969765890

I understand his motivation, but how does he achieve such a goal? Especially in his current predicament?

[Calthrina950]

As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

The difference is that Dr. Ford's attempted rape allegations were extremely credible and more likely than not true, as were a second woman's (Deborah Ramirez was her name IIRC) sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh.  There's a big difference between saying a would-be rapist facing extremely credible allegations of both attempted rape and sexual assault does not belong on the Supreme Court and making up false allegations to try to smear a political opponent.

Many of Dr. Ford's allegations were unfounded or were discredited, to say nothing of the holes in the allegations made by both Deborah Ramirez and Julie Swetnick, especially Swetnick.

As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

Well founded allegations versus non credible allegations art related to Party politics. You really are a hack.

My views over the Kavanaugh hearings have changed over the past few months. While I still think that Trump should have pulled his nomination and put forth Kethledge or Hardiman in Kavanaugh's place, I also believe that there was a serious rush to judgment in the matter.

Dr. Ford and Deborah Ramirez’s allegations were both extremely credible and in no way discredited.  If you think otherwise, please post specific, non-op-ed evidence to support your claims from credible sources.  The Swatnick stuff was likely a false allegation, but no one took her claims that seriously for more than like half-a-day and they’re also irrelevant given that I didn’t even bring them up.  Just b/c C is not true, doesn’t mean A or B aren’t true.

I would refer you to the memo written by the prosecutor who questioned Dr. Ford: https://static.politico.com/28/7f/80157df74b96bb352b10f8b7aa66/09-30-18-mitchell-memo-ford-allegations.pdf.

You mean the one appointed by Senate Republicans to question Dr. Ford for them?  Yeah, that’s not exactly the most objective source nor did you cite anything specific.

Of course I should have known that you would say that. And you should be very well aware of what Mitchell's memo said.

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

Mark Herring is Frank Underwood/s

But in actuality Fairfax  and Northam have both handled these scandals horribly.   

[Crumpets]

Random thought, was this going on while Obama was giving his "There is no black America or White America" speech?

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

https://twitter.com/ryanobles/status/1092526078969765890

I understand his motivation, but how does he achieve such a goal? Especially in his current predicament?

He's an absolute moron if he thinks he can admit to something and then take it back. The Virginia Democratic party needs to up the pressure for him to resign, he's an embarassment.

[Technocracy Timmy]

Yes the sitting Governor who nearly moonwalked and bragged about winning a Michael Jackson dance competition in blackface at a press conference where he said he wasn’t wearing blackface that same year in that yearbook photo the day after apologizing for that same photo clearly has the political instincts to successfully undercut his rival.

Governor Moonwalk is playing 4D underwater chess folks.

You don't have to be a 4D Chess master to put out allegations to hurt a rival, though. It's actually pretty simple.

You also don’t have to a 4D Chess master to screw up an apology, press conference, and the aftermath of it as badly as he did. Yet here we are...

[Oryxslayer]

https://twitter.com/ryanobles/status/1092526078969765890

I understand his motivation, but how does he achieve such a goal? Especially in his current predicament?

I mean he lost 40 pts with Dems virtually overnight, there really is no recovering from that.

[gerritcole]

Anyone else ready to #standwithher?

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

jesus christ this is such a sh!tshow.

[gerritcole]

As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

The difference is that Dr. Ford's attempted rape allegations were extremely credible and more likely than not true, as were a second woman's (Deborah Ramirez was her name IIRC) sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh.  There's a big difference between saying a would-be rapist facing extremely credible allegations of both attempted rape and sexual assault does not belong on the Supreme Court and making up false allegations to try to smear a political opponent.

Just curious, what makes allegations credible?

Depends on who is being accused

[TarHeelDem]

Northam is clearly the Walker in this scenario with Herring as the Underwood, which makes Fairfax the Matthews, I guess?

[Progressive Pessimist]

jesus christ this is such a sh!tshow.

[Badger]

As if Democrats haven't done the same...

They have not.

Need I remind you of the Kavanaugh hearings?

The difference is that Dr. Ford's attempted rape allegations were extremely credible and more likely than not true, as were a second woman's (Deborah Ramirez was her name IIRC) sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh.  There's a big difference between saying a would-be rapist facing extremely credible allegations of both attempted rape and sexual assault does not belong on the Supreme Court and making up false allegations to try to smear a political opponent.

Just curious, what makes allegations credible?

Depends on who is being accused

No. Not at all. The strawman right-wingers like you set up this whole matter to justify supporting Bonafide rapists as president and Supreme Court Justices, Plus deciding that allegations against prominent Republicans are rebuttably presumed as false smears by the Democrats and liberal media, is all very telling.

You can project your whole sexual assault allegations are 90% political BS all you want. The reality here on how red avatars and other liberals have responded is really really different. And God do you hate that.