AL-SEN: It’s Tuberville

[smoltchanov]

Why does it matter if Doug Jones "represents the average voter well" or not? Every member of Congress should represent my views and my views only. If it were up to me Alabama would have two DSA Senators.

[sarcasm]It's a mercy, that it's NOT up to you. Otherwise it would be an eternal nightmare)))))[/sarcasm]

[smoltchanov]

Why does it matter if Doug Jones "represents the average voter well" or not? Every member of Congress should represent my views and my views only. If it were up to me Alabama would have two DSA Senators.

Paula Jean Swearengin, since when did you move to Oklahoma?

Paula Jean Swearengin is well to the right of me, as I don't support West Virginia having congressional representation.

[sarcasm]It's very good,  that most of Americans are still more or less sane, and have a sort of "immunity" from people like you and your "ideas")))))[/sarcasm]

[brucejoel99]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

So, what you're saying is that you'd rather have Senators act as mere mouthpieces for the wishes of their states, with no autonomy from their states, rather than see them have the sufficient autonomy to deliberate & act in favor of the greater common good & the national interest (seeing that they're, y'know, United States Senators, & all), even if it means going against the short-term interests of their own states?

Jesus.

Perhaps you should realize that Jones is an independent voice for Alabama who cares more about the issues that actually affect Alabama's everyday voters than partisan politics... unlike you, evidently, considering you're cherry-picking your facts & literally ignoring how democratic political representation works so you can weave a divisive narrative & reaffirm your narrow partisan viewpoint.

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

See above, re: Republicans aren't entitled to the Senate seat.

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do, look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge. Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

Your reply is literally the embodiment of you "reaffirm[ing] your narrow partisan viewpoint."

But if you insist...

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

The common good/national interest refers to what's beneficial for all (or most) Americans, which Trump's tax reform wasn't. Democrats opposed Trump's tax reform because said tax cuts were geared towards the richest Americans. So if you're gonna claim that the goal of Trump's tax reform was to benefit the greater common good & the national interest, then please tell me why Trump didn't even give any lick of a thought to instead considering Democratic proposals, which target the middle class much moreso than Trump's did & offer far more tax relief than the GOP tax cuts while costing far less.

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do,

No. Jones has voted in line with Trump's position 56.3% of the time. The only Democratic senator who has voted with Trump more often is Manchin.

look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge.

You're right, Kavanaugh is "a well qualified judge," & based on this being the case, Jones was actually expected to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's nomination. But then those pesky credible allegations of sexual misconduct just had to pop up (or did you conveniently forget about those?); how dare a U.S. Senator, before voting on a Supreme Court nominee, take them (instead of just qualifications) into consideration as well?!

Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

You mean like that other well-known Schumer crony... *checks notes* ...Lisa Murkowski?

(Oh, & if you're gonna cherry-pick an example of Jones voting against a Trump nominee, then may I remind you how Jones was one of only a handful of Democrats to vote for Mike Pompeo's nomination to be Secretary of State? Or did you conveniently forget that too?)

The common good/national interest refers to what's beneficial for all (or most) Americans, which Trump's tax reform wasn't. Democrats opposed Trump's tax reform because said tax cuts were geared towards the richest Americans. So if you're gonna claim that the goal of Trump's tax reform was to benefit the greater common good & the national interest, then please tell me why Trump didn't even give any lick of a thought to instead considering Democratic proposals, which target the middle class much moreso than Trump's did & offer far more tax relief than the GOP tax cuts while costing far less.

Maybe I'm narrow minded, but at least I'm aware that the 2017 Tax reform barely touched the Income Tax rate. The highest income tax bracket went from 39.6% to 37%. Not exactly a big drop or a big gift in favour of richest Americans. The main aim of the Tax Reform was to cut the Corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% because a 35% rate threatened the competitiveness of American businnesses (the average corporate tax rate in the EU is 24%). Making American companies more competitive serve the US Economy ans thus the national interest. Democratic proposals were refused because democrats didn't want to lower the Corporate Tax to less than 28% (and to be more precise most democrats were againt any Corporate tax rate cut anyway, the only democrats who agreed with a corporate tax cut per se were blue dogs dems)

We had the highest nominal rate, yes, but we were nowhere near having the highest actual rate thanks to all of our loopholes (compared to the rest of the world, we actually had an average corporate tax rate). Of course, we could've certainly used real tax reform that cut both rates & deductions so that the net result was revenue neutral, but then the GOP wouldn't have been able to make their rich buddies richer had they done that, now would they?

You're right, Kavanaugh is "a well qualified judge," & based on this being the case, Jones was actually expected to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's nomination. But then those pesky credible allegations of sexual misconduct just had to pop up (or did you conveniently forget about those?); how dare a U.S. Senator, before voting on a Supreme Court nominee, take them (instead of just qualifications) into consideration as well?!

These allegations were not credible by any standard. Blasey Ford didn't even remember the year when "she was raped". Anyway, as someone said, you are innocent until proven guilty.

Yes, he was innocent until proven guilty, but it was neither a court case nor a criminal trial; it was a job interview. He wasn't owed anything. There was probable cause that he'd sexually assaulted somebody (multiple somebodies, actually), & there were plenty of other qualified judges out there (conservatives, even) who'd have loved the job.

And yes, the allegations were credible by the probable cause standard, & while I know it helps your narrative to imply that Blasey Ford couldn't keep her "story" straight, that's just not the truth; here's a Twitter thread from a credible legal analyst which expands upon how such a standard was met precisely because of her story.

No. Jones has voted in line with Trump's position 56.3% of the time. The only Democratic senator who has voted with Trump more often is Manchin.

Jones is not voting with Trump 56.3% of the time. Most of these votes are absolutely meaningless, for example yesterday the Senate voted to confirm an Assistant Secretary of Energy, the vote was 86/5 for the confirmation of the person nominated, Jones voted ''yeah'', and thus he adopted the "Trump position'' but nearly every other democratic senator voted ''yeah'' too. Most of Senate votes are on non partisan stuff (confirmation, natural disasters funding….) If you want to know the ideology of a Senator you must look at high profile votes (Obamacare reapeal, tax reform vote)

Wow, if high profile votes matter more than taking all of a Senator's votes into consideration, then I guess Joe Manchin is as much a bleeding-heart liberal as Bernie Sanders! Makes sense!!

Oh, & if confirmations were non-partisan affairs, then you wouldn't have devoted most of your time to attacking Jones for voting against Kavanaugh while conveniently choosing to ignore major flaws in the choice of nominee.

You mean like that other well-known Schumer crony... *checks notes* ...Lisa Murkowski?

Yeah, Murkowski in an independent minded Senator who is voting regulary against the positions of the Republican leadership while Jones is doing what the democratic leadership is telling him to do.

That's just patently false. Jones (who votes with Democrats 62.8% of the time) votes more regularly against the positions of the Democratic leadership than Murkowski (who votes with Republicans 76.0% of the time) does against the positions of the Republican leadership. Please explain to me how this makes Murkowski independent minded while making Jones a slave to his leadership??

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

[GoTfan]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

[brucejoel99]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

Well, he does still wanna try to win re-election.

[InheritTheWind]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

Well, he does still wanna try to win re-election.

It's so stupid though. Is he gonna win as an open socialist? Probably not, but he stands the same odds there as he does running a Richard Shelby circa 1992 campaign. If anything, at least the first one would help him turn out a base.

[Sir Mohamed]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

I agree. Even Trump is not stupid enough to endorse the dude in the primary. Possible whoever he endorses gets it.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

Well, he does still wanna try to win re-election.

It's so stupid though. Is he gonna win as an open socialist? Probably not, but he stands the same odds there as he does running a Richard Shelby circa 1992 campaign. If anything, at least the first one would help him turn out a base.

The democratic base in Alabama is black voters, not white progressives

Black voters tend to be more moderate on most issues

[S019]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

Well, he does still wanna try to win re-election.

It's so stupid though. Is he gonna win as an open socialist? Probably not, but he stands the same odds there as he does running a Richard Shelby circa 1992 campaign. If anything, at least the first one would help him turn out a base.

Is bad that I laughed when I read this

He could win as a Moderate Hero against Moore

He won't win as a socialist against anyone, because it's Alabama

[InheritTheWind]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

Well, he does still wanna try to win re-election.

It's so stupid though. Is he gonna win as an open socialist? Probably not, but he stands the same odds there as he does running a Richard Shelby circa 1992 campaign. If anything, at least the first one would help him turn out a base.

Is bad that I laughed when I read this

He could win as a Moderate Hero against Moore

He won't win as a socialist against anyone, because it's Alabama

Here's the thing. They're gonna call him a socialist anyways. He might as well lean into it, because candidate quality doesn't matter too much. Unless, of course, you're running against an actual pedophile.

[Xing]

Jones wouldn't be more likely to win if he ran as a "socialist" (which virtually no Democrats actually are), but most Republicans, even those who fancy themselves "moderates" or "moderate heroes", would vote for Moore over Jones without a second thought, all the while saying Democrats are the ones who are too extreme and unwilling to compromise.

[President Johnson]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Nobody who isn't a full-fleged fascist or AnCap thinks Doug Jones is a socialist.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

At least he didn't cower on abortion rights like JBE did.

[Frenchrepublican]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Jones is not exactly a moderate, Donnelly or Manchin are moderate, but Jones not so much 

[brucejoel99]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Jones is not exactly a moderate, Donnelly or Manchin are moderate, but Jones not so much  

Yeah, pretty much this. I'd say Manchin is a conservative Democrat, Donnelly is a moderate, & Jones is center-left; not quite a liberal, but not quite a centrist Democrat either.

[Roll Roons]

I don’t think Moore will be the nominee this time, and if he is not I will want the democrats to give  Jones a canteen and a pistol and set him loose, but if Moore gets the nom again, I am going to go to the mat for Jones, and I hope dems will follow. Moore has to get every last ounce of fight we got if he is the nominee.

As progressive as I am, you're not going to get much better than Doug Jones, I can admit that.

Jones campaigned as a progressive, but unfortunately he's decided to go down the Moderate Hero route with his votes in the Senate.

At least he didn't cower on abortion rights like JBE did.

JBE's always been strongly pro-life. I'd say it's consistent with him to sign that bill.

[Some of My Best Friends Are Gay]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Nobody who isn't a full-fleged fascist or AnCap thinks Doug Jones is a socialist.

Every democrat is a socialist.

Right, and every Republican is a Nazi.

[Santander]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Nobody who isn't a full-fleged fascist or AnCap thinks Doug Jones is a socialist.

Every democrat is a socialist.

Right, and every Republican is a Nazi.

So they're both socialists then.

[brucejoel99]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Nobody who isn't a full-fleged fascist or AnCap thinks Doug Jones is a socialist.

Every democrat is a socialist.

Right, and every Republican is a Nazi.

So they're both socialists then.

Something something national socialism isn't socialism.

[Frenchrepublican]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Nobody who isn't a full-fleged fascist or AnCap thinks Doug Jones is a socialist.

Every democrat is a socialist.

To some degree, most of them, yeah

[brucejoel99]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Nobody who isn't a full-fleged fascist or AnCap thinks Doug Jones is a socialist.

Every democrat is a socialist.

To some degree, most of them, yeah

Hahaha.

No.

[Frenchrepublican]

The notion Doug Jones is a socialist is just fully nonsense. He's a moderate-to-liberal Democrat, much in the same corner than Joe Biden.

Nobody who isn't a full-fleged fascist or AnCap thinks Doug Jones is a socialist.

Every democrat is a socialist.

To some degree, most of them, yeah

Hahaha.

No.

It’s a fact, the Democratic Party is to the left of most center left parties across the western world (