AL-SEN: It’s Tuberville

[ProudModerate2]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

Exactly.
Like you, I am also shocked on Frenchrepublican's comment.
It seems that the only thing he cares about is having a Senator with an "R" next to the name (regardless of how Deplorable he/she might be).

[Frenchrepublican]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

FrenchRepublican, you’re....you’re French. I recommend being less emotional about the internal affairs of the US. I would advise the same to most of of our European and Canadian (cough cough Hagrid) leftists, but I know they won’t listen anyway.

[Frenchrepublican]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

Exactly.
Like you, I am also shocked on Frenchrepublican's comment.
It seems that the only thing he cares about is having a Senator with an "R" next to the name (regardless of how Deplorable he/she might be).

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

[brucejoel99]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

So, what you're saying is that you'd rather have Senators act as mere mouthpieces for the wishes of their states, with no autonomy from their states, rather than see them have the sufficient autonomy to deliberate & act in favor of the greater common good & the national interest (seeing that they're, y'know, United States Senators, & all), even if it means going against the short-term interests of their own states?

Jesus.

Perhaps you should realize that Jones is an independent voice for Alabama who cares more about the issues that actually affect Alabama's everyday voters than partisan politics... unlike you, evidently, considering you're cherry-picking your facts & literally ignoring how democratic political representation works so you can weave a divisive narrative & reaffirm your narrow partisan viewpoint.

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

See above, re: Republicans aren't entitled to the Senate seat.

[Frenchrepublican]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

So, what you're saying is that you'd rather have Senators act as mere mouthpieces for the wishes of their states, with no autonomy from their states, rather than see them have the sufficient autonomy to deliberate & act in favor of the greater common good & the national interest (seeing that they're, y'know, United States Senators, & all), even if it means going against the short-term interests of their own states?

Jesus.

Perhaps you should realize that Jones is an independent voice for Alabama who cares more about the issues that actually affect Alabama's everyday voters than partisan politics... unlike you, evidently, considering you're cherry-picking your facts & literally ignoring how democratic political representation works so you can weave a divisive narrative & reaffirm your narrow partisan viewpoint.

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

See above, re: Republicans aren't entitled to the Senate seat.

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do, look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge. Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

[brucejoel99]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

So, what you're saying is that you'd rather have Senators act as mere mouthpieces for the wishes of their states, with no autonomy from their states, rather than see them have the sufficient autonomy to deliberate & act in favor of the greater common good & the national interest (seeing that they're, y'know, United States Senators, & all), even if it means going against the short-term interests of their own states?

Jesus.

Perhaps you should realize that Jones is an independent voice for Alabama who cares more about the issues that actually affect Alabama's everyday voters than partisan politics... unlike you, evidently, considering you're cherry-picking your facts & literally ignoring how democratic political representation works so you can weave a divisive narrative & reaffirm your narrow partisan viewpoint.

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

See above, re: Republicans aren't entitled to the Senate seat.

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do, look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge. Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

Your reply is literally the embodiment of you "reaffirm[ing] your narrow partisan viewpoint."

But if you insist...

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

The common good/national interest refers to what's beneficial for all (or most) Americans, which Trump's tax reform wasn't. Democrats opposed Trump's tax reform because said tax cuts were geared towards the richest Americans. So if you're gonna claim that the goal of Trump's tax reform was to benefit the greater common good & the national interest, then please tell me why Trump didn't even give any lick of a thought to instead considering Democratic proposals, which target the middle class much moreso than Trump's did & offer far more tax relief than the GOP tax cuts while costing far less.

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do,

No. Jones has voted in line with Trump's position 56.3% of the time. The only Democratic senator who has voted with Trump more often is Manchin.

look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge.

You're right, Kavanaugh is "a well qualified judge," & based on this being the case, Jones was actually expected to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's nomination. But then those pesky credible allegations of sexual misconduct just had to pop up (or did you conveniently forget about those?); how dare a U.S. Senator, before voting on a Supreme Court nominee, take them (instead of just qualifications) into consideration as well?!

Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

You mean like that other well-known Schumer crony... *checks notes* ...Lisa Murkowski?

(Oh, & if you're gonna cherry-pick an example of Jones voting against a Trump nominee, then may I remind you how Jones was one of only a handful of Democrats to vote for Mike Pompeo's nomination to be Secretary of State? Or did you conveniently forget that too?)

[One Term Floridian]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

I mean Doug Jones doesn’t exactly represent the people of Alabama very well lol. Plenty of Democrats have expressed similar sentiments about Republicans like Scott Brown, Susan Collins, or Cory Gardner over the years - the difference being all of them were much closer to the state they represented than Jones is to Alabama.

As much as I hate to admit it. This.

[brucejoel99]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

I mean Doug Jones doesn’t exactly represent the people of Alabama very well lol. Plenty of Democrats have expressed similar sentiments about Republicans like Scott Brown, Susan Collins, or Cory Gardner over the years - the difference being all of them were much closer to the state they represented than Jones is to Alabama.

As much as I hate to admit it. This.

Please point me toward the clause in the 17th Amendment wherein it states that Senators are supposed to represent the median political views of their states' people.

[One Term Floridian]

I lived in AL for years before moving up to VA. Great state and great people for the most part but it's rigidly conservative. No surprise that Moore gets consistently nominated to high office there. His social views are completely in line with a near-majority of the electorate and certainly a majority of the AL GOP.

Now I'd vote for Jones in a fetal hearbeat, especially against Ray Moore, but Jones is far, far to the left of the state. He isn't even as conservative as Joe Manchin; only about as "conservative" as Krysten Sinema. The fact that this forum (reasonably) polls Jones losing well into the double digits is proof enough that he's not in line with the values of his state.

[brucejoel99]

I lived in AL for years before moving up to VA. Great state and great people for the most part but it's rigidly conservative. No surprise that Moore gets consistently nominated to high office there. His social views are completely in line with a near-majority of the electorate and certainly a majority of the AL GOP.

Now I'd vote for Jones in a fetal hearbeat, especially against Ray Moore, but Jones is far, far to the left of the state. He isn't even as conservative as Joe Manchin; only about as "conservative" as Krysten Sinema. The fact that this forum (reasonably) polls Jones losing well into the double digits is proof enough that he's not in line with the values of his state.

Okay, but it's wrong to act (not you, others taking part in this thread) as if the values of the state should be relevant to how he chooses to vote once he's in the Senate considering they've already elected him.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

So, what you're saying is that you'd rather have Senators act as mere mouthpieces for the wishes of their states, with no autonomy from their states, rather than see them have the sufficient autonomy to deliberate & act in favor of the greater common good & the national interest (seeing that they're, y'know, United States Senators, & all), even if it means going against the short-term interests of their own states?

Jesus.

Perhaps you should realize that Jones is an independent voice for Alabama who cares more about the issues that actually affect Alabama's everyday voters than partisan politics... unlike you, evidently, considering you're cherry-picking your facts & literally ignoring how democratic political representation works so you can weave a divisive narrative & reaffirm your narrow partisan viewpoint.

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

See above, re: Republicans aren't entitled to the Senate seat.

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do, look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge. Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

Kavanaugh tried to rape a woman, but good to know that you’re fine with that.

[One Term Floridian]

I lived in AL for years before moving up to VA. Great state and great people for the most part but it's rigidly conservative. No surprise that Moore gets consistently nominated to high office there. His social views are completely in line with a near-majority of the electorate and certainly a majority of the AL GOP.

Now I'd vote for Jones in a fetal hearbeat, especially against Ray Moore, but Jones is far, far to the left of the state. He isn't even as conservative as Joe Manchin; only about as "conservative" as Krysten Sinema. The fact that this forum (reasonably) polls Jones losing well into the double digits is proof enough that he's not in line with the values of his state.

Okay, but it's wrong to act (not you, others taking part in this thread) as if the values of the state should be relevant to how he chooses to vote once he's in the Senate considering they've already elected him.

I mean yeah, as a centrist, I value a politician's "independence," but I wouldn't be surprised if they get booted out bigly in the next election. Or at the least see them fight tooth and nail only to win in a nailbiter against an extremely flawed opponent (see Manchin in 2018 and Jones himself in 2017)

[Mail-order President]

Kavanaugh tried to rape a woman, but good to know that you’re fine with that.

Guess you forgot about the concept of innocent until proven guilty

Also, Jones has sided with Trump only 37.2% of the time.  Less than Manchin, Sinema, King, and Rosen.

[brucejoel99]

I lived in AL for years before moving up to VA. Great state and great people for the most part but it's rigidly conservative. No surprise that Moore gets consistently nominated to high office there. His social views are completely in line with a near-majority of the electorate and certainly a majority of the AL GOP.

Now I'd vote for Jones in a fetal hearbeat, especially against Ray Moore, but Jones is far, far to the left of the state. He isn't even as conservative as Joe Manchin; only about as "conservative" as Krysten Sinema. The fact that this forum (reasonably) polls Jones losing well into the double digits is proof enough that he's not in line with the values of his state.

Okay, but it's wrong to act (not you, others taking part in this thread) as if the values of the state should be relevant to how he chooses to vote once he's in the Senate considering they've already elected him.

I mean yeah, as a centrist, I value a politician's "independence," but I wouldn't be surprised if they get booted out bigly in the next election. Or at the least see them fight tooth and nail only to win in a nailbiter against an extremely flawed opponent (see Manchin in 2018 and Jones himself in 2017)

Well yes, of course his votes will be a damper on his re-election chances, but that doesn't lessen the fact that he still has a right to have voted the way he wanted to once he was already elected to the Senate.

Kavanaugh tried to rape a woman, but good to know that you’re fine with that.

Guess you forgot about the concept of innocent until proven guilty

Also, Jones has sided with Trump only 37.2% of the time.  Less than Manchin, Sinema, King, and Rosen.

You're correct that he was innocent until proven guilty, but it was neither a court case nor a criminal trial; it was a job interview. He wasn't owed anything. There was probable cause that he'd sexually assaulted somebody (multiple somebodies, actually), & there were plenty of other qualified judges out there (conservatives, even) who'd have loved the job.

Also, no. It's 56.3%.

[Mail-order President]

Where in the constitution does it say it's a job interview?  Where's the probable cause?

That article is a year old, use this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

In fact, in the 116th session of Congress, Jones has a Trump score of 12.5%

[brucejoel99]

Where in the constitution does it say it's a job interview?  Where's the probable cause?

Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution ("Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings...") empowers the Senate to establish its rules. The Appointments Clause of the Constitution (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2) empowers the Senate to confirm the appointments of public officials, including justices of the Supreme Court. The Standing Rules of the Senate permits Senate committees (in this case, the Judiciary Committee) to hold confirmation hearings on presidential nominations, including justices of the Supreme Court, in fulfillment of the Senate's constitutional responsibilities under the Appointments Clause. It's these hearings that serve a purpose akin to a job interview, which isn't held to the same standards as a criminal trial (please understand that, with an allegation of a serious sex crime, the standard of proof for Kavanaugh hypothetically having been denied a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt, but probable cause, because, again, it was a job interview, not a criminal trial).

Re: Kavanaugh/probable cause, here's a Twitter thread from a credible legal analyst which expands upon how such a threshold was met.

That article is a year old, use this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

In fact, in the 116th session of Congress, Jones has a Trump score of 12.5%

Then I stand corrected. My bad :/

[Skunk]

Why does it matter if Doug Jones "represents the average voter well" or not? Every member of Congress should represent my views and my views only. If it were up to me Alabama would have two DSA Senators.

[Mail-order President]

Where in the constitution does it say it's a job interview?  Where's the probable cause?

Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution ("Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings...") empowers the Senate to establish its rules. The Appointments Clause of the Constitution (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2) empowers the Senate to confirm the appointments of public officials, including justices of the Supreme Court. The Standing Rules of the Senate permits Senate committees (in this case, the Judiciary Committee) to hold confirmation hearings on presidential nominations, including justices of the Supreme Court, in fulfillment of the Senate's constitutional responsibilities under the Appointments Clause. It's these hearings serve a purpose akin to a job interview, which isn't held to the same standards as a criminal trial (please understand that, with an allegation of a serious sex crime, the standard of proof for Kavanaugh hypothetically having been denied a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt, but probable cause, because, again, it was a job interview, not a criminal trial).

Re: Kavanaugh/probable cause, here's a Twitter thread from a credible legal analyst which expands upon how such a threshold was met.

That article is a year old, use this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

In fact, in the 116th session of Congress, Jones has a Trump score of 12.5%

Then I stand corrected. My bad :/

So... the Senate took the facts in and made the conclusion that he be confirmed? Nice, the Constitution at work.  Ford also got an FBI investigation and they found nothing.

Just because they went to the same school and had mutual friends doesn't fill the burden of probable cause nor does it corroborate sexual assault.

Why does it matter if Doug Jones "represents the average voter well" or not? Every member of Congress should represent my views and my views only. If it were up to me Alabama would have two DSA Senators.

If he doesn't represent Alabama's voters well, he's going to lose reelection.

[brucejoel99]

Why does it matter if Doug Jones "represents the average voter well" or not? Every member of Congress should represent my views and my views only. If it were up to me Alabama would have two DSA Senators.

Paula Jean Swearengin, since when did you move to Oklahoma?

[brucejoel99]

Where in the constitution does it say it's a job interview?  Where's the probable cause?

Article I, Section 5 of the Constitution ("Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings...") empowers the Senate to establish its rules. The Appointments Clause of the Constitution (Article II, Section 2, Clause 2) empowers the Senate to confirm the appointments of public officials, including justices of the Supreme Court. The Standing Rules of the Senate permits Senate committees (in this case, the Judiciary Committee) to hold confirmation hearings on presidential nominations, including justices of the Supreme Court, in fulfillment of the Senate's constitutional responsibilities under the Appointments Clause. It's these hearings serve a purpose akin to a job interview, which isn't held to the same standards as a criminal trial (please understand that, with an allegation of a serious sex crime, the standard of proof for Kavanaugh hypothetically having been denied a lifetime appointment on the Supreme Court wasn't beyond a reasonable doubt, but probable cause, because, again, it was a job interview, not a criminal trial).

Re: Kavanaugh/probable cause, here's a Twitter thread from a credible legal analyst which expands upon how such a threshold was met.

That article is a year old, use this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/

In fact, in the 116th session of Congress, Jones has a Trump score of 12.5%

Then I stand corrected. My bad :/

So... the Senate took the facts in and made the conclusion that he be confirmed? Nice, the Constitution at work.  Ford also got an FBI investigation and they found nothing.

Just because they went to the same school and had mutual friends doesn't fill the burden of probable cause nor does it corroborate sexual assault.

Oh please, that investigation was so flawed that it didn't even interview Ford herself, let alone other witnesses with information relevant to the allegations.

[Skunk]

Why does it matter if Doug Jones "represents the average voter well" or not? Every member of Congress should represent my views and my views only. If it were up to me Alabama would have two DSA Senators.

Paula Jean Swearengin, since when did you move to Oklahoma?

Paula Jean Swearengin is well to the right of me, as I don't support West Virginia having congressional representation.

[One Term Floridian]

Why does it matter if Doug Jones "represents the average voter well" or not? Every member of Congress should represent my views and my views only. If it were up to me Alabama would have two DSA Senators.

Paula Jean Swearengin, since when did you move to Oklahoma?

Paula Jean Swearengin is well to the right of me, as I don't support West Virginia having congressional representation.

Lmaoo

[Frenchrepublican]

I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

So, what you're saying is that you'd rather have Senators act as mere mouthpieces for the wishes of their states, with no autonomy from their states, rather than see them have the sufficient autonomy to deliberate & act in favor of the greater common good & the national interest (seeing that they're, y'know, United States Senators, & all), even if it means going against the short-term interests of their own states?

Jesus.

Perhaps you should realize that Jones is an independent voice for Alabama who cares more about the issues that actually affect Alabama's everyday voters than partisan politics... unlike you, evidently, considering you're cherry-picking your facts & literally ignoring how democratic political representation works so you can weave a divisive narrative & reaffirm your narrow partisan viewpoint.

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

See above, re: Republicans aren't entitled to the Senate seat.

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do, look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge. Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

Your reply is literally the embodiment of you "reaffirm[ing] your narrow partisan viewpoint."

But if you insist...

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

The common good/national interest refers to what's beneficial for all (or most) Americans, which Trump's tax reform wasn't. Democrats opposed Trump's tax reform because said tax cuts were geared towards the richest Americans. So if you're gonna claim that the goal of Trump's tax reform was to benefit the greater common good & the national interest, then please tell me why Trump didn't even give any lick of a thought to instead considering Democratic proposals, which target the middle class much moreso than Trump's did & offer far more tax relief than the GOP tax cuts while costing far less.

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do,

No. Jones has voted in line with Trump's position 56.3% of the time. The only Democratic senator who has voted with Trump more often is Manchin.

look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge.

You're right, Kavanaugh is "a well qualified judge," & based on this being the case, Jones was actually expected to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's nomination. But then those pesky credible allegations of sexual misconduct just had to pop up (or did you conveniently forget about those?); how dare a U.S. Senator, before voting on a Supreme Court nominee, take them (instead of just qualifications) into consideration as well?!

Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

You mean like that other well-known Schumer crony... *checks notes* ...Lisa Murkowski?

(Oh, & if you're gonna cherry-pick an example of Jones voting against a Trump nominee, then may I remind you how Jones was one of only a handful of Democrats to vote for Mike Pompeo's nomination to be Secretary of State? Or did you conveniently forget that too?)

The common good/national interest refers to what's beneficial for all (or most) Americans, which Trump's tax reform wasn't. Democrats opposed Trump's tax reform because said tax cuts were geared towards the richest Americans. So if you're gonna claim that the goal of Trump's tax reform was to benefit the greater common good & the national interest, then please tell me why Trump didn't even give any lick of a thought to instead considering Democratic proposals, which target the middle class much moreso than Trump's did & offer far more tax relief than the GOP tax cuts while costing far less.

Maybe I'm narrow minded, but at least I'm aware that the 2017 Tax reform barely touched the Income Tax rate. The highest income tax bracket went from 39.6% to 37%. Not exactly a big drop or a big gift in favour of richest Americans. The main aim of the Tax Reform was to cut the Corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% because a 35% rate threatened the competitiveness of American businnesses (the average corporate tax rate in the EU is 24%). Making American companies more competitive serve the US Economy ans thus the national interest. Democratic proposals were refused because democrats didn't want to lower the Corporate Tax to less than 28% (and to be more precise most democrats were againt any Corporate tax rate cut anyway, the only democrats who agreed with a corporate tax cut per se were blue dogs dems)

You're right, Kavanaugh is "a well qualified judge," & based on this being the case, Jones was actually expected to vote in favor of Kavanaugh's nomination. But then those pesky credible allegations of sexual misconduct just had to pop up (or did you conveniently forget about those?); how dare a U.S. Senator, before voting on a Supreme Court nominee, take them (instead of just qualifications) into consideration as well?!

These allegations were not credible by any standard. Blasey Ford didn't even remember the year when "she was raped". Anyway, as someone said, you are innocent until proven guilty.

No. Jones has voted in line with Trump's position 56.3% of the time. The only Democratic senator who has voted with Trump more often is Manchin.

Jones is not voting with Trump 56.3% of the time. Most of these votes are absolutely meaningless, for example yesterday the Senate voted to confirm an Assistant Secretary of Energy, the vote was 86/5 for the confirmation of the person nominated, Jones voted ''yeah'', and thus he adopted the "Trump position'' but nearly every other democratic senator voted ''yeah'' too. Most of Senate votes are on non partisan stuff (confirmation, natural disasters funding….) If you want to know the ideology of a Senator you must look at high profile votes (Obamacare reapeal, tax reform vote)

You mean like that other well-known Schumer crony... *checks notes* ...Lisa Murkowski?

Yeah, Murkowski in an independent minded Senator who is voting regulary against the positions of the Republican leadership while Jones is doing what the democratic leadership is telling him to do.

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I HATE MOORE !

BECAUSE OF YOU, DIRTY ROY, ALABAMA HAS A DEMOCRATIC SENATOR !! GO F**K YOURSELF STUPID ASHOLE

You say that as if Republicans are entitled to that Senate seat, rather than the people of Alabama being entitled to elect whomever they wish to represent them (regardless of party).

The only reason why Jones is in the Senate is because a large number of conservative voters stayed at home in December 2017 rather than going to vote for Creepy Roy. Keep in mind that Jones won less votes than Maddox who lost in a landslide.

Most Alabamians don’t like Jones and are not happy with him, sane republicans stayed at home because they didn’t want a pedo as senator, but don’t be a fool, Jones is not representing the values of most Alabamians. Just last year 59% of Alabamian approved a referendum question in order to grant the personhood to children yet to be born, at the same time Jones is acting like if he was representing Massachusetts by voting against common sense restrictions on abortion.

So, what you're saying is that you'd rather have Senators act as mere mouthpieces for the wishes of their states, with no autonomy from their states, rather than see them have the sufficient autonomy to deliberate & act in favor of the greater common good & the national interest (seeing that they're, y'know, United States Senators, & all), even if it means going against the short-term interests of their own states?

Jesus.

Perhaps you should realize that Jones is an independent voice for Alabama who cares more about the issues that actually affect Alabama's everyday voters than partisan politics... unlike you, evidently, considering you're cherry-picking your facts & literally ignoring how democratic political representation works so you can weave a divisive narrative & reaffirm your narrow partisan viewpoint.

Why are you shocked ? I’m rooting for the republicans, it’s logical that I want the larger possible republican majority in the Senate.

And what’s the problem with what I said ? It’s true that the only reason why Jones is in the Senate is Creepy Roy, without Moore there wouldn’t be a Senator Jones.

See above, re: Republicans aren't entitled to the Senate seat.

1. And what’s common good and national interest ? In 2017 every single democrat voted against  the Tax Reform whose aim was to make US businesses more competitive by reducing the US corporate tax, at the time the highest in the developed world, to 21%. Making the US economy more competitive shouldn’t be a partisan issue. Right ? Creating more jobs should be a common good issue. No ? So explain me why every democratic senators voted against this common sense reform ? I

2. No and no, Jones in not a independent voice for Alabama, Jones is a progressive democrat who is doing what Schumer is asking him to do, look at how he voted on Kavanaugh, a well qualified judge. Had Jones being an independent voice like you said he would have voted to confirm him.

Kavanaugh tried to rape a woman, but good to know that you’re fine with that.

I guess you were in the room with them when he tried to rape her