Is the Democratic party becoming too extreme?

[Landslide Lyndon]

Trump is a factor that's creating an extreme reaction, but it's also the media's portrayal and hyperbole regarding Trump that is adding to radicalization.  Trump isn't exactly far-right, but the left utilizes him as a symbol of far-right extremism.  Mostly due to Trump's unapologetic stance to PC culture. It's not like the far-right is noticeably more active than it was during Bush or Obama.  There's more of a difference between Bush and Obama than Obama and Trump as far as far-right extremism.  And sure, opinion polls indicate that people feel it's gotten worse, but the statistics just don't jive with opinions.

Very fine people.

[izixs]

I kind of hate questions like this as they are basically push polls in conversation form. It assumes that we all have the same definition of extreme. For some, having any income taxes is an extreme leftist tyranny. While for others abolition of money is not extreme. Asking the same question to folks who represent these two different mind sets is an absurd thing to do as you will never get a correct answer, only the opinion of the whole. Which is at best information about that population, but at worst, and what I see is the intent here, an attempt to drive hostility and paranoia towards one end of the political spectrum by having those pointing out their own thoughts on the Democrats not being extremists being seen by those who think the Democrats are the devil, thus proving just how much Democrats are 'liars' and 'untrustworthy' to those who are set in their ways on this question, thus increasing their activity level.

[SN2903]

It's actually pretty well-researched that Democrats are becoming more radicalized.  On a bell curve graph, Democrats continue to flatten and spread between far-left and center-left, where as Republicans tend to cluster around the center-right.  The below Pew research study shows what I'm talking about.  I've seen other studies like it, but I'm feeling pretty lazy at 6 in the morning.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/

Trump is a factor that's creating an extreme reaction, but it's also the media's portrayal and hyperbole regarding Trump that is adding to radicalization.  Trump isn't exactly far-right, but the left utilizes him as a symbol of far-right extremism.  Mostly due to Trump's unapologetic stance to PC culture. It's not like the far-right is noticeably more active than it was during Bush or Obama.  There's more of a difference between Bush and Obama than Obama and Trump as far as far-right extremism.  And sure, opinion polls indicate that people feel it's gotten worse, but the statistics just don't jive with opinions.

Trump if anything is slightly left of center on economic issues.  He favors infrastructure,  tariffs and renogiating trade deals. Bush was certainly to the right of him across the board. It is Trumps demeanor that causes the hyperbole among the left. Hes basically a Democrat 30 or 40 years ago who is nationalistic on immigration .

[mgop]

Trump is a factor that's creating an extreme reaction, but it's also the media's portrayal and hyperbole regarding Trump that is adding to radicalization.  Trump isn't exactly far-right, but the left utilizes him as a symbol of far-right extremism.  Mostly due to Trump's unapologetic stance to PC culture. It's not like the far-right is noticeably more active than it was during Bush or Obama. There's more of a difference between Bush and Obama than Obama and Trump as far as far-right extremism.  And sure, opinion polls indicate that people feel it's gotten worse, but the statistics just don't jive with opinions.

officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

[Mr. Smith]

The Republicans fell off a cliff post-Obama and were rewarded with two midterm landslides and a Presidential victory. Maybe the Democratic party should copy them.

Yet they won't.

[Blair]

Trump is a factor that's creating an extreme reaction, but it's also the media's portrayal and hyperbole regarding Trump that is adding to radicalization.  Trump isn't exactly far-right, but the left utilizes him as a symbol of far-right extremism.  Mostly due to Trump's unapologetic stance to PC culture. It's not like the far-right is noticeably more active than it was during Bush or Obama. There's more of a difference between Bush and Obama than Obama and Trump as far as far-right extremism.  And sure, opinion polls indicate that people feel it's gotten worse, but the statistics just don't jive with opinions.

officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

Apart from the President?

[Statilius the Epicurean]

officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

71% of Americans support murdering babies

[PaperKooper]

officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

71% of Americans support murdering babies the name Roe v. Wade

65% of Americans want the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe in a way that would effectively overturn the decision.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

71% of Americans support murdering babies the name Roe v. Wade

65% of Americans want the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe in a way that would effectively overturn the decision.

What "Allow states to make certain restrictions" means is rather more vague than that.

[Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner]

Democrats are far too conservative on social issues and it is reprehensible.

[Mr. Smith]

Democrats are far too conservative on social economic issues and it is reprehensible.

[Zaybay]

It's actually pretty well-researched that Democrats are becoming more radicalized.  On a bell curve graph, Democrats continue to flatten and spread between far-left and center-left, where as Republicans tend to cluster around the center-right.  The below Pew research study shows what I'm talking about.  I've seen other studies like it, but I'm feeling pretty lazy at 6 in the morning.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/pew-research-center-study-shows-that-democrats-have-shifted-to-the-extreme-left/

Trump is a factor that's creating an extreme reaction, but it's also the media's portrayal and hyperbole regarding Trump that is adding to radicalization.  Trump isn't exactly far-right, but the left utilizes him as a symbol of far-right extremism.  Mostly due to Trump's unapologetic stance to PC culture. It's not like the far-right is noticeably more active than it was during Bush or Obama.  There's more of a difference between Bush and Obama than Obama and Trump as far as far-right extremism.  And sure, opinion polls indicate that people feel it's gotten worse, but the statistics just don't jive with opinions.

Trump if anything is slightly left of center on economic issues.  He favors infrastructure,  tariffs and renogiating trade deals. Bush was certainly to the right of him across the board. It is Trumps demeanor that causes the hyperbole among the left. Hes basically a Democrat 30 or 40 years ago who is nationalistic on immigration .

LOL, hes not.

Not only has he still not passed any infrastructure plan yet after 2 years of GOP government(a policy which appears to have just been a talking point, and not meant to actually be pursued), but tariffs themselves, in an American sense, havent been a Leftwing idea. Free Trade in the US originated on the Left, not the Right(Trump's embrace of tariffs actually mimics GOP policy stretching back to the 1940s).

And that doesnt mention the fact that Trump has really been deregulating the economy, a Right Policy, and his biggest achievement is a Tax Cut, again, a Right policy.

But, since hes not going to cut SS, I guess he is slightly to the Left of Bush.

[HisGrace]

You're already seeing all the think pieces where they're ripping the shreds almost all the prospective Dem candidates over the tiniest ideological inconsistency. I'm getting the sneaking feeling that a bunch of people are going to sit at home and pout if they don't think the Dem candidate is 100% perfect and give this thing to Trump again. 

The left's current activism community is more interested in venting and getting it off their chest than in being effective.

[Zaybay]

To answer the OPs question.

For Republicans, such as the OP, it is becoming too extreme.

For literally everyone else, the answer is no.

[TJ in Oregon]

officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

71% of Americans support murdering babies the name Roe v. Wade

65% of Americans want the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe in a way that would effectively overturn the decision.

What "Allow states to make certain restrictions" means is rather more vague than that.

Getting American poll respondents to make contradictory statements is like shooting fish in a barrel.

[PSOL]

No, they are actually a bit behind on the wishes of their base. The only people that view them as going extreme are conservatives deflecting on their own meltdowns.

[Big Abraham]

officially democrats and their base support murdering babies and that's far worse than this staged march that nobody in gop ever supported

71% of Americans support murdering babies the name Roe v. Wade

65% of Americans want the Supreme Court to reconsider Roe in a way that would effectively overturn the decision.

What "Allow states to make certain restrictions" means is rather more vague than that.

Getting American poll respondents to make contradictory statements is like shooting fish in a barrel.

[DC Al Fine]

The Republicans fell off a cliff post-Obama and were rewarded with two midterm landslides and a Presidential victory. Maybe the Democratic party should copy them.

A lot of progressives look at the saga of the last ten years for the Republican Party and have learned the wrong lesson entirely.

They see two midterm gains and President Trump and think that extremism and demagoguery lead to success. What they really should be seeing are some not especially unusual midterm results given the circumstances and a President who got damn lucky against a shoddy candidate who was a bad fit for the times.

A 2% popular vote loss and some lucky breaks in the electoral college doesn't exactly scream "success".

[Mr. Smith]

The Republicans fell off a cliff post-Obama and were rewarded with two midterm landslides and a Presidential victory. Maybe the Democratic party should copy them.

A lot of progressives look at the saga of the last ten years for the Republican Party and have learned the wrong lesson entirely.

They see two midterm gains and President Trump and think that extremism and demagoguery lead to success. What they really should be seeing are some not especially unusual midterm results given the circumstances and a President who got damn lucky against a shoddy candidate who was a bad fit for the times.

A 2% popular vote loss and some lucky breaks in the electoral college doesn't exactly scream "success".

If said candidate was so shoddy, why did he [Obama] do better than a much better challenger in far worse circumstances? Presidents that get re-elected are supposed to exceed the performance that got them in.

And besides despite the obvious bluster and clear deceit from a progressive standpoint, Obama stood to be that demagogue and extremist compared to the milquetoast performances of John Kerry and Al Gore.

That he: Backed down on the stimulus, watered down Obamacare significantly, and proceeded to lose the highest number of House seats since quite possibly before the Great Depression.

Caved some more and managed to lose states and popularity compared to how he came in [not been done since FDR's 3rd],

Then managed to lose 9 Senate seats in a milquetoast midterm, all after a very tepid attempt at immigration talks and doing little to encourage turnout, which let's face it, would've saved at least four of those seats.


And then contrasted with:

Trump GAINING Senate seats when the energy should've been enough by previous logic to have allowed at least three Democratc gains, let alone the two necessary to flip the chamber .
.
Two Supreme Court seats, with the possibility of a third.

All while doing no kind of bipartisan moves...

Well it kinda proves the point, and hardly lends any credence to it being the wrong lesson. 

[DC Al Fine]

The Republicans fell off a cliff post-Obama and were rewarded with two midterm landslides and a Presidential victory. Maybe the Democratic party should copy them.

A lot of progressives look at the saga of the last ten years for the Republican Party and have learned the wrong lesson entirely.

They see two midterm gains and President Trump and think that extremism and demagoguery lead to success. What they really should be seeing are some not especially unusual midterm results given the circumstances and a President who got damn lucky against a shoddy candidate who was a bad fit for the times.

A 2% popular vote loss and some lucky breaks in the electoral college doesn't exactly scream "success".

If said candidate was so shoddy, why did he [Obama] do better than a much better challenger in far worse circumstances? Presidents that get re-elected are supposed to exceed the performance that got them in.

And besides despite the obvious bluster and clear deceit from a progressive standpoint, Obama stood to be that demagogue and extremist compared to the milquetoast performances of John Kerry and Al Gore.

That he: Backed down on the stimulus, watered down Obamacare significantly, and proceeded to lose the highest number of House seats since quite possibly before the Great Depression.

Caved some more and managed to lose states and popularity compared to how he came in [not been done since FDR's 3rd],

Then managed to lose 9 Senate seats in a milquetoast midterm, all after a very tepid attempt at immigration talks and doing little to encourage turnout, which let's face it, would've saved at least four of those seats.


And then contrasted with:

Trump GAINING Senate seats when the energy should've been enough by previous logic to have allowed at least three Democratc gains, let alone the two necessary to flip the chamber .
.
Two Supreme Court seats, with the possibility of a third.

All while doing no kind of bipartisan moves...

Well it kinda proves the point, and hardly lends any credence to it being the wrong lesson. 

A) You misread me. I am saying Trump is the president who got lucky against the bad fit candidate.

B) See, this is what I'm talking about. The 2012-2018 Senate class was already heavily Dem with plenty of incumbents in Trump states. It's pretty easy for the GOP to make gains when they only have 9/34 seats to begin with and 2 of them are Mississippi.

People see a positive result for the GOP and immediately chalk it up to Trump and his tactics, when he was merely a beneficiary of a very GOP friendly map last year.

Moreover, if the implication is that Trump=Crazy party=Success, then what of the reverse? Where exactly would the Dems have performed better in the 2018 Senate against a less Trumpy president? Democrats losing heavily Republican seats to the GOP and nearly winning freaking Texas does not make Trump some sort of big electoral success story.

[136or142]

The Republicans fell off a cliff post-Obama and were rewarded with two midterm landslides and a Presidential victory. Maybe the Democratic party should copy them.

The Republican Party engages in obstructionism, blatant lies and revisionist history and they've been allowed to get away with it.

It is separate, though maybe related, that they're also extremists on policy, but they've been allowed to get away with this because their supporters are cult like even more than the major media outlets often buy their false policy narratives.

The Democrats could probably succeed by engaging in the first part, but the evidence seems to be that most Democrats won't act in a cult-like fashion.

[Blair]

You're already seeing all the think pieces where they're ripping the shreds almost all the prospective Dem candidates over the tiniest ideological inconsistency. I'm getting the sneaking feeling that a bunch of people are going to sit at home and pout if they don't think the Dem candidate is 100% perfect and give this thing to Trump again. 

The left's current activism community is more interested in venting and getting it off their chest than in being effective.

The left's activism just helped flip 40 house seats. Stop being dense.

[Ashley Biden's Diary]

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18185829/womens-march-2019-dnc-tamika-mallory-view

No word from national leadership denouncing this woman and her failure to denounce Louis Farrakhan a known anti-semite.
Cortez, Tlaib and the new socialist left clearly hate Israel and this is not being talked about.

Although Farrakhan is absolutely an anti-Semite, hating Israel is not Antisemitism.

[SN2903]

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18185829/womens-march-2019-dnc-tamika-mallory-view

No word from national leadership denouncing this woman and her failure to denounce Louis Farrakhan a known anti-semite.
Cortez, Tlaib and the new socialist left clearly hate Israel and this is not being talked about.

Although Farrakhan is absolutely an anti-Semite, hating Israel is not Antisemitism.

Hating Israel is the definition of anti-semitism. Please.

[TML]

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/18/18185829/womens-march-2019-dnc-tamika-mallory-view

No word from national leadership denouncing this woman and her failure to denounce Louis Farrakhan a known anti-semite.
Cortez, Tlaib and the new socialist left clearly hate Israel and this is not being talked about.

Although Farrakhan is absolutely an anti-Semite, hating Israel is not Antisemitism.

Hating Israel is the definition of anti-semitism. Please.

It seems that you are in favor of giving Israel a blank check to mistreat non-Jews. That's unacceptable.