Have you leaned what Jesus and your bible teaches?

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Also, he does post a lot of variety of ideas. I find his analysis and insights valuable.

All I've gotten out of him is one idea, stridently repeated with but minimal variation.  "Theists are evil and stupid and don't even understand their own texts. 'Gnostics' like me are wise and wonderful and if you disagree you're just too stupid to understand."  If that's insightful or valuable, then I'll gladly be dense and cheap.

[Greatest I am]

tmc, what offends me about GIA is his uniform smugness and combativeness. He's demonstrated time and again that he is uninterested in dialogue or debate. The only thing he shows interest in is in provoking others to respond to him. He is predictable in his opinions and demonstrates no interest in the opinions of others. That's why I have that troll on ignore and suggest others do the same. What I don't get is why you think the bully is being bullied because people want the bully to go elsewhere.

Well, I could answer you in detail, but I don't think that he is a bully, as I never had a problem with how he responds to me, if I did I would ignore him, and that is the issue, if others like yourself chose to ignore him, I have no problem with that, but I enjoy interacting with him.
He does challenge the conventional wisdom here and I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise.
It is important to challenge group think.

edit: also there are quite a few of us who think he enriches the dialogue here, not just me

What can I say. Thank you much my friend.

I do not think that most theists want to enrich their thinking and learn anything new in dialog.
Their insecurity drives then to seek bias confirmation and nothing else.

We all love to hate the other side, as it is what bonds a group, while they tell each other that it is love guiding and bonding them.

Theists hate the sinners and not the sin. If theist hated sin, they would not idol worship the vile Gods that they worship.

What theists hate in me is that I show them that their love for their demonstrably vile God is not justified. That puts their backs up while shutting down their minds.

Note the demonstrable truth in this play. It says my thinking much better than I can and it is basically all true, especially when applied to religion, race and war. Even the verbal wars we fight here.

My kingdom I would trade, for eloquence of speech.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmc72fCJivA

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DL

[Greatest I am]

He does challenge the conventional wisdom here and I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise.
It is important to challenge group think.

There is no conventional wisdom here to be challenged. You think the fact that most posters on this board are Christians is a product of “group think”, but no one comes here to be converted, they come here to share their perspectives, and most posters happen to come from a Christian background. You and Greatest I Am could also come here to share your perspectives, but you don’t. Greatest I Am claims to be a gnostic who’s achieved gnosis, but he’s never made a single thread about historically-existing Gnosticism or his personal experience of enlightenment; you posted earlier in this thread that you have to meditate to cope with this board, but you’ve never made a detailed post about meditation. Instead you both just post the same inanities over and over again - “Exoteric religion bad, esoteric religion good, here’s a YouTube video or a quote from some famous person supporting my position”. We’ve all heard it way too many times to care.

" they come here to share their perspectives, and most posters happen to come from a Christian background."

Correct. They are driven by confirmation bias and I disturb their self-centred world with doubt.
 
As to my teaching what I know, theists do not seek or care of my perspective and experience. Theists would have to have some respect for me to have that desire and as one of the dreaded others from another tribe, regardless of personality or insight, I am to be hated.

Your love of your own is what creates the hate for me and it makes you cloud your moral judgements to where idol worshiping a vile God seems right. Even to idol worshiping a genocidal son murderer. Theists do not want a good God. They want a powerful God.

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 they come here to share their perspectives, and most posters happen to come from a Christian background.

[Greatest I am]

You may not be successful in convincing them, but at least, you will have given them new ideas to ponder.

Actually, he doesn't.  His presentation is such that I can't possibly take him or his ideas seriously.  It certainly isn't at all like that Paul made while in Athens. (Acts 17:16-34)

Paul promoted slavery and lied about a supernatural realm that no one can access. That is why the religious intelligentsia say that God is unknowable and unfathomable.

Need I say more?

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DL

[Greatest I am]

You may not be successful in convincing them, but at least, you will have given them new ideas to ponder.

Actually, he doesn't.  His presentation is such that I can't possibly take him or his ideas seriously.  It certainly isn't at all like that Paul made while in Athens. (Acts 17:16-34)

If people can't handle what he has to say, they don't have to post in his threads; but his threads get a lot of replies, some of which is the same old same old complaints about his posting style.
Also, he does post a lot of variety of ideas. I find his analysis and insights valuable. Also, you can call me biased because I agree with a great deal, although certainly not all, of what he has to say.
It seems to me, though, that if Christians here took their own religion more seriously, they would be a lot more tolerant towards him. Isn't that what Christianity is supposed to be about? In reality, Christianity is extremely sectarian and divisive, although more liberal Christians do sometimes support the interfaith movement, but you don't hear much about that here.

If Christianity is such a tolerant faith, would so many Christians have supported Donald Trump?
Also pacifism has never been a big part of Christianity, either.
He does repeat some things, but some things need to be repeated.

I just recently found this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY&feature=youtu.be

I had this other of his works. I like that he is not hung up on the label of "God".

He is too Christian and close to an idol worshiper, I think, but do not hold that against him.

You might enjoy his work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZg1ZflpJs

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DL

[Greatest I am]

Also, he does post a lot of variety of ideas. I find his analysis and insights valuable.

All I've gotten out of him is one idea, stridently repeated with but minimal variation.  "Theists are evil and stupid and don't even understand their own texts. 'Gnostics' like me are wise and wonderful and if you disagree you're just too stupid to understand."  If that's insightful or valuable, then I'll gladly be dense and cheap.

It is not you I hate buddy. It is the fact that you adore a hateful God.

I know I tend to get personal in my speech, but you are the one I am addressing as I cannot convert your imaginary God. Your moral sense and soul are what I speak to.

I feel personally offended when I cannot break through your supernatural and unhealthy thinking, and I guess that that personal offence and disappointment comes out in coarse language as I cannot keep it inside or it would consume me.

You complain that I repeat myself. How long has Christians been repeating the same old bible that is telling you to adore a genocidal God who always kills when he could just as easilly cure?

You adore an evil God and I will not  let you complacently do that as Christianity does too much damage to society with their homophobic and misogynous teachings.

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DL




 

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 they come here to share their perspectives, and most posters happen to come from a Christian background.

If you have so little respect for the other people on this board, why do you bother posting here? And it isn’t just that you don’t respect anyone here - no one here respects you either. How could we? You are offensively ill-informed about the religions you critique. Just take a look at one of the posts you made above, claiming that Paul “lied about a supernatural realm that no one can access”, when Paul explicitly claimed that we can access Heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2). Now I’m sure that you’ll dismiss this incident; atheists in general are dismissive of religious experiences, and you aren’t uniquely guilty of that. You are uniquely guilty of arrogance.

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It tells me that goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading books instead of burning them!

[Greatest I am]

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 they come here to share their perspectives, and most posters happen to come from a Christian background.

If you have so little respect for the other people on this board, why do you bother posting here? And it isn’t just that you don’t respect anyone here - no one here respects you either. How could we? You are offensively ill-informed about the religions you critique. Just take a look at one of the posts you made above, claiming that Paul “lied about a supernatural realm that no one can access”, when Paul explicitly claimed that we can access Heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2). Now I’m sure that you’ll dismiss this incident; atheists in general are dismissive of religious experiences, and you aren’t uniquely guilty of that. You are uniquely guilty of arrogance.

Arrogance born of having the so called religious run and hide from proper discussions and debates.

Their arrogance is born from being slaves.

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

Christians dislike that I mimic their ways and am just as fundamental to my belief as they are to theirs, if not more, as mine are based on morality.

I am well informed enough to know that a genocidal son murderer should not be respected as a God and that is why they hate me.

Do you really think I care what such morally corrupted people think when they are showing how poorly they think?

I care only for the harm that their putrid beliefs cause to society.

Would you respect me if I praise Hitler and Stalin, two other genocidal psychopaths?

If not, why do you respect those who praise Yahweh and his psychopathic ways?

Or do you give his psychopathic ways a pass just because you think he is a God?

Are you letting fear rule your judgements?

Cowards can never be moral.

I am trying to be moral.

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DL

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DL

 they come here to share their perspectives, and most posters happen to come from a Christian background.

You are uniquely guilty of arrogance.

--Robert Ingersoll

My point was very straightforward: no one here respects your opinion on religious matters because you are uninformed on the topic of religion. I gave everyone an example of you being uninformed. You ignored my example so that you could repeat the same talking point you’ve reiterated four hundred times before.

The mistake you always make is that you project your own ignorance onto others. You think that because a talking point seems compelling to you, who has never read a book in his life, that same talking point will seem compelling to us, each of whom has read at least one book (probably more). Stop doing that. Put away the street inhalants. Make some friends. Please.

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I gave [sic] no idea of what un-informed area you are talking about but you must have been really busy to insure [sic] that everyone got it, --- as you say.

I was referring to your claim that Paul had no direct knowledge of Heaven, in spite of his scriptural claim to the contrary. You can look back through the thread to find my verse citation, if you aren't too busy ignoring the content of this post.

[Greatest I am]

I gave [sic] no idea of what un-informed area you are talking about but you must have been really busy to insure [sic] that everyone got it, --- as you say.

I was referring to your claim that Paul had no direct knowledge of Heaven, in spite of his scriptural claim to the contrary. You can look back through the thread to find my verse citation, if you aren't too busy ignoring the content of this post.

Do you not know how much older than Christianity the notion that we cannot know anything of the unknowable and unfathomable God is? Only liars like Paul can claim such knowledge. If you ask nice I will show you what Gnostic Christians thought of heaven
, if you can get out of supernaturalstupid thinking mode.
 
I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental trash that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02ciandvg&feature=BFa&list=PLCBF574D

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DL

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Do you not know how much older than Christianity the notion that we cannot know anything of the unknowable and unfathomable God is?

The religious experience is as old as humanity itself. The idea that God exists, but we cannot know anything about him, is not something anyone has ever believed, but something you might espouse if you’re jealous of those who have had religious experiences.

[Greatest I am]

Do you not know how much older than Christianity the notion that we cannot know anything of the unknowable and unfathomable God is?

The religious experience is as old as humanity itself. The idea that God exists, but we cannot know anything about him, is not something anyone has ever believed, but something you might espouse if you’re jealous of those who have had religious experiences.

I have claimed apotheosis. How many Christian do you know that have made the same claim?

Do not include the last guy that I know of that claim he went to heaven and found himself to be  a spot on a butterfly.

Further, if a Christian, then he is claiming belief in Jesus and Jesus himself, in scriptures, says any like him can do everything he did and more.

I see no one doing that and that applies to even those with a mustard seed worth of faith.

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