Merry Christmas from Uncle Pat

[Fuzzy Bear]

https://buchanan.org/blog/christmas-2018-not-the-worst-of-times-130855

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[Frozen Sky Ever Why]

Buchanan is mostly correct about why the warmongering gutter trash that compromise the neolib/neocon establishment are angry about the pullout. While I agree with the pullout, Trump did not do this because he aligns with Pat or paleocons ideologically. If he did he would have pulled out in the first few months of his presidency instead of letting more soldiers die for nothing.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Buchanan is mostly correct about why the warmongering gutter trash that compromise the neolib/neocon establishment are angry about the pullout. While I agree with the pullout, Trump did not do this because he aligns with Pat or paleocons ideologically. If he did he would have pulled out in the first few months of his presidency instead of letting more soldiers die for nothing.

One observation I have made is that Trump has often had to fill key positions with other Republicans that disagree with him on key issues.  I sense that in the selection process, many of these Republicans have intially muted their disagreements (A) to get the job and (B) to actively work to get Trump to inch to their side.

The rude shock they have received, I believe, is that Trump, far from having no ideas on how to proceed on any number of fronts, has LOTS of ideas on how to proceed, some of which conflict with their dogma, and he's not going to compromise with people who should be advancing HIS (Trump's) proposals  Some of this is Trump's fault; there are any number of appointees he's selected that would end up in disagreement with him.  People who carry out a President's policies faithfully are often derided as lackeys, but that's what they're in their positions to do.

I hope that Trump can find persons who adhere to HIS vision of policy and adhere to it in THEIR duties.  Trump WAS elected to disengage us from any number of foreign entanglements and wars, including Afghanistan.  Truthfully, Trump ending the ridiculous number of wars we have plunged into would be his greatest legacy, and I hope he is not dissuaded from this.

[Hindsight was 2020]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

[Fuzzy Bear]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

[Hindsight was 2020]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

So you don’t care that Trump is trying to coverup the murder of a US resident and journalist? Very Christian

[Farmlands]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

It could have been a triumph for the United States had Obama and the parliament of the United Kingdom decided to be more proactive over Assad's use of chemical weapons, but nothing to do now... Let's hope Trump manages to negotiate some mercy for the Kurds.

[Fuzzy Bear]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

So you don’t care that Trump is trying to coverup the murder of a US resident and journalist? Very Christian

To what degree is the Khashoggi murder (assuming it is a murder) an event that should dictate our foreign policy?

To what degree would staying in Syria and maintaining our military involvement there for the sake of avenging Mr. Khashoggi be in our national interest?

[Hindsight was 2020]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

So you don’t care that Trump is trying to coverup the murder of a US resident and journalist? Very Christian

To what degree is the Khashoggi murder (assuming it is a murder) an event that should dictate our foreign policy?

To what degree would staying in Syria and maintaining our military involvement there for the sake of avenging Mr. Khashoggi be in our national interest?

First off “assuming it is” WTF? Literally everyone but Trump and SA agree it was. Second, staying in Syria has nothing to do with “avenging Khashoggi” so why you’re trying to argue as such is beyond me.

[Fuzzy Bear]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

So you don’t care that Trump is trying to coverup the murder of a US resident and journalist? Very Christian

To what degree is the Khashoggi murder (assuming it is a murder) an event that should dictate our foreign policy?

To what degree would staying in Syria and maintaining our military involvement there for the sake of avenging Mr. Khashoggi be in our national interest?

First off “assuming it is” WTF? Literally everyone but Trump and SA agree it was. Second, staying in Syria has nothing to do with “avenging Khashoggi” so why you’re trying to argue as such is beyond me.

OK, then.  What should we have done and why?

[Comrade Funk]

I don't care for racist uncles

[darklordoftech]

I swear that Buchanan's 1992 and 1996 campaigns forshadowed Trump.

[RFK Jr.’s Brain Worm]

I really question the timing of the US pullout of Syria and the rumblings Turkey is making towards the Kurds.

I swear that Buchanan's 1992 and 1996 campaigns forshadowed Trump.

I think Trump is more a combo of Perot 92 and Wallace 68.

[Devout Centrist]

[Santander]

I don't care for racist uncles

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

Watch as supporting war on Syria becomes the "woke" position.

[Continential]

Remember when Trump called Pat Atila the Hun

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

Leaving the Kurds to be wiped out in a genocide because “it’s not our fight” seems pretty diametrically opposed to the idea that we are all our brothers’ keeper (in addition to being terrible foreign policy).

As for the OP excerpt, as usual, Buchanan has no idea what he’s talking about; leaving Syria is a terrible idea even by Trump’s standards.  The likely genocides against both the Kurds and the members of Assad’s ethnic group (Alawites IIRC) if we leave now are reason enough to stay, plus ISIS could easily gain a strong foothold if we leave and that is definitely our fight by almost any objective measure.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I swear that Buchanan's 1992 and 1996 campaigns forshadowed Trump.

OW RRLY?!

[JA]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

Leaving the Kurds to be wiped out in a genocide because “it’s not our fight” seems pretty diametrically opposed to the idea that we are all our brothers’ keeper (in addition to being terrible foreign policy).

As for the OP excerpt, as usual, Buchanan has no idea what he’s talking about; leaving Syria is a terrible idea even by Trump’s standards.  The likely genocides against both the Kurds and the members of Assad’s ethnic group (Alawites IIRC) if we leave now are reason enough to stay, plus ISIS could easily gain a strong foothold if we leave and that is definitely our fight by almost any objective measure.

The United Nations should attend to these matters, not the US.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

Leaving the Kurds to be wiped out in a genocide because “it’s not our fight” seems pretty diametrically opposed to the idea that we are all our brothers’ keeper (in addition to being terrible foreign policy).

As for the OP excerpt, as usual, Buchanan has no idea what he’s talking about; leaving Syria is a terrible idea even by Trump’s standards.  The likely genocides against both the Kurds and the members of Assad’s ethnic group (Alawites IIRC) if we leave now are reason enough to stay, plus ISIS could easily gain a strong foothold if we leave and that is definitely our fight by almost any objective measure.

The United Nations should attend to these matters, not the US.

Leaving it to the UN is a de facto death sentence for the Allawites and the Kurds (the latter of whom have been among out most stalwart allies in the region).  I’m sure the UN would handle it the same way they “handled” Rwanda: Look away awkwardly while innocent people are butchered like hogs.  I know that America can’t stop every genocide, but that’s no excuse for allowing the ones we can prevent.

[All Along The Watchtower]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

Leaving the Kurds to be wiped out in a genocide because “it’s not our fight” seems pretty diametrically opposed to the idea that we are all our brothers’ keeper (in addition to being terrible foreign policy).

As for the OP excerpt, as usual, Buchanan has no idea what he’s talking about; leaving Syria is a terrible idea even by Trump’s standards.  The likely genocides against both the Kurds and the members of Assad’s ethnic group (Alawites IIRC) if we leave now are reason enough to stay, plus ISIS could easily gain a strong foothold if we leave and that is definitely our fight by almost any objective measure.

The United Nations should attend to these matters, not the US.

The US is part of the United Nations you know...

[All Along The Watchtower]

Anyway, America's most respectable Hitler apologist doesn't seem to understand that the US cannot simply wash its hands of what it and other actors have wrought in the Middle East (and elsewhere) unless it wants to allow the consequences of those actions to follow us home (and they will). And the least we can do for people like the Kurds and others whom we've promised so much (and betrayed almost as often) is to actually support them, even if only diplomatically.

[Badger]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

Leaving the Kurds to be wiped out in a genocide because “it’s not our fight” seems pretty diametrically opposed to the idea that we are all our brothers’ keeper (in addition to being terrible foreign policy).

As for the OP excerpt, as usual, Buchanan has no idea what he’s talking about; leaving Syria is a terrible idea even by Trump’s standards.  The likely genocides against both the Kurds and the members of Assad’s ethnic group (Alawites IIRC) if we leave now are reason enough to stay, plus ISIS could easily gain a strong foothold if we leave and that is definitely our fight by almost any objective measure.

The United Nations should attend to these matters, not the US.

Leaving it to the UN is a de facto death sentence for the Allawites and the Kurds (the latter of whom have been among out most stalwart allies in the region).  I’m sure the UN would handle it the same way they “handled” Rwanda: Look away awkwardly while innocent people are butchered like hogs.  I know that America can’t stop every genocide, but that’s no excuse for allowing the ones we can prevent.

This x 10.

[Fuzzy Bear]

FB world: “Trump pulled out of Syria because he’s a man of the people fighting a great populist war against the evil establishment.”
The real world: Trump pulled out of Syria as a favor for Erdogan in exchange for them dropping the Khashoggi murder

I really don't care why.  I'm glad we're pulling out of Syria.  It's not our fight, and never was.

Leaving the Kurds to be wiped out in a genocide because “it’s not our fight” seems pretty diametrically opposed to the idea that we are all our brothers’ keeper (in addition to being terrible foreign policy).

As for the OP excerpt, as usual, Buchanan has no idea what he’s talking about; leaving Syria is a terrible idea even by Trump’s standards.  The likely genocides against both the Kurds and the members of Assad’s ethnic group (Alawites IIRC) if we leave now are reason enough to stay, plus ISIS could easily gain a strong foothold if we leave and that is definitely our fight by almost any objective measure.

The United Nations should attend to these matters, not the US.

Leaving it to the UN is a de facto death sentence for the Allawites and the Kurds (the latter of whom have been among out most stalwart allies in the region).  I’m sure the UN would handle it the same way they “handled” Rwanda: Look away awkwardly while innocent people are butchered like hogs.  I know that America can’t stop every genocide, but that’s no excuse for allowing the ones we can prevent.

This x 10.

There always seems to be a reason to keep our troops in other countries. 

I am not a fan of what's happening, but exactly when are we actually going to withdraw our troops from fights that are not our fights?