CO-SEN Megathread: Cory In The House

[ksd2000]

Is the reason many folks here (and I presume lefties in Colorado) don't like the idea of Hick running for Senate because of his 'moderate' image? As far as I knew, I thought he did a good job as Governor. Yes, he's definitely not an uber liberal and his political image seems to be more in the moderate mold. But, he doesn't seem like a Joe Lieberman (ugh) and similar to Michael Bennett in that he seems like someone who'd be popular and fit Colorado in the Senate well.

If I'm being honest, my dislike of him is definitely more exaggerated than it needs to be, but he has had many moments (decrying socialism to a rooming of booing CA dems, not fully supporting causes like Medicare for All, not supporting the Green New Deal, etc. etc. etc.) that don't fully assure me he wouldn't block or fight some of the important movements that we need to have happen under a trifecta. Romanoff has and will fight for progressive change and nothing about Hickenlooper has assured me he won't vote against the party or go on some stupid bipartisanship kick with the Republican minority.

[Skunk]

Saira Rao for Senate or bust.

[Oryxslayer]

Yes, apparently, Hickenlooper had a private chat with Bennett recently. The two are more or less the same, and Bennett is no Republican in Sheeps clothing. Hick just ran to the right Presidentially because it was the available lane.

Absolute nonsense - Hickenlooper is a fracking advocate who would sabotage any attempts at Medicare for All or a Green New Deal. Having him in the Senate rather than Romanoff would be absolutely tragic. Bennet is a terrible Senator in his own right.

Makes sense than that you and every other Crimson avatar here is going to decry the inevitable - I speak not the will of my own opinions (Who wanted Griswold), but the will of the political winds.  But TBH, I would not be surprised if he like so many bland dems vanishes into the backbenches once elected.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't think Hickenlooper really wants to be a senator. He will be elected but it won't surprise me if he retires after one term like Mike Johanns.

[SnowLabrador]

I don't think Hickenlooper really wants to be a senator. He will be elected but it won't surprise me if he retires after one term like Mike Johanns.

Which is why I hope he doesn't run for Senate. Gardner will use that as an attack against him.

[Landslide Lyndon]

I don't think Hickenlooper really wants to be a senator. He will be elected but it won't surprise me if he retires after one term like Mike Johanns.

Which is why I hope he doesn't run for Senate. Gardner will use that as an attack against him.

Gardner is so unpopular that it doesn't matter what he says.

[Storr]

I don't think Hickenlooper really wants to be a senator. He will be elected but it won't surprise me if he retires after one term like Mike Johanns.

Maybe he'll be like a Jim Webb. Defeated a Republican incumbent in a formerly Red state, but retires after one term due to not liking the frustrating slow slog that is the Senate. There have been many former Governors that hated the Senate: Johanns, Terry Sanford (from my home state), Joe Manchin (evidently Schumer had to personally persuade him to run for reelection last year), among others.

[SWE]

Looking forward to nominating Hick to run to serve Colorado for the next 18 years or so as a Joe Manchin-tier senator in a race that basically any Democrat would be favored to win

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1161390432267513861

YEAH!! We want Hick! We want Hick! We want Hick!

[Woody]

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1161390432267513861

YEAH!! We want Hick! We want Hick! We want Hick!

Hickenlooper is damaged goods now because of his pussyfooting. Him gunning for the senate RIGHT AFTER departing from the presidential race would make him look weak and maybe in some ways an oppurtunist, he would turn CO from likely to lean D.

[One Term Floridian]

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1161390432267513861

YEAH!! We want Hick! We want Hick! We want Hick!

Hickenlooper is damaged goods now because of his pussyfooting. Him gunning for the senate RIGHT AFTER departing from the presidential race would make him look weak and maybe in some ways an oppurtunist, he would turn CO from likely to lean D.

Marco Rubio th0?

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

(dramatic voice)Democratic primary Voters of Colorado, please dont make me donate to the green party candidate in this race. I don't even like them and all they want is attention. But I'm at my wits end with loser DINOs like Hickenlooper.
DONT PICK HICK

[Roronoa D. Law]

Oh great more concern trolling by the same people who can't name 1 seated Democratic politician they like trying to dictate yet another primary. Yes Hickenlooper is a moderate but the idea he will switch party or be the deciding vote for any of Mcconnell schemes is ludacris. Just because Democrats are favored in the state doesn't mean we can run anybody that's how Mourdock and Akin situations happen.   

[YE]

Murdock and Akin probably would have gotten elected in a 2018 like polarization FWIW. It’s not like the pickings aside from Hickenlooper are poor choices.

As for Hickenlooper himself, he struck a me as a Max Baucus clone in that while not the deciding vote, he could be a factor in derailing legislation.

[SWE]

Oh great more concern trolling by the same people who can't name 1 seated Democratic politician they like trying to dictate yet another primary. Yes Hickenlooper is a moderate but the idea he will switch party or be the deciding vote for any of Mcconnell schemes is ludacris. Just because Democrats are favored in the state doesn't mean we can run anybody that's how Mourdock and Akin situations happen.   

Realistically, when you're talking about a race in a Clinton state against an incumbent with lower approval ratings than Trump, you can run anybody. Certainly every non Hickenlooper candidate has odds at least as good as he does.

[President Johnson]

Oh great more concern trolling by the same people who can't name 1 seated Democratic politician they like trying to dictate yet another primary. Yes Hickenlooper is a moderate but the idea he will switch party or be the deciding vote for any of Mcconnell schemes is ludacris. Just because Democrats are favored in the state doesn't mean we can run anybody that's how Mourdock and Akin situations happen.   

This, though I think even a Bernie-style Democrat would be favored to unseat Gardner, who was barely elected in 2014. The notion, however, the Hick is somewhat of a DINO or another Joe Manchin or Joe Lieberman is bizarre. He's pretty much a standard Democrat just like Michael Bennet and would vote 90% or more with any Democratic president.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Hickenlooper was considered a significant upgrade by progressives when he ran in 2010 instead of Bill Ritter. The fact that he is now compared to Manchin just shows how poisonous the alt-left's maximalist rhetoric has become.

[YE]

Hickenlooper was considered a significant upgrade by progressives when he ran in 2010 instead of Bill Ritter. The fact that he is now compared to Manchin just shows how poisonous the alt-left's maximalist rhetoric has become.

I probably prefer Ritter to Hickenlooper but I won't speak for others here. FTR, unlike Hickenlooper, Manchin has at least expressed an openess to M4A.

[President Johnson]

Hickenlooper was considered a significant upgrade by progressives when he ran in 2010 instead of Bill Ritter. The fact that he is now compared to Manchin just shows how poisonous the alt-left's maximalist rhetoric has become.

I probably prefer Ritter to Hickenlooper but I won't speak for others here. FTR, unlike Hickenlooper, Manchin has at least expressed an openess to M4A.

Manchin is socially conservative, very weak on guns and weak on climate change. The Hick's record here is a little different. Medicare for all won't happen in 2021 even with President Sanders or Warren and a Colorado senator who supports it. They can make all these promises, but it will lead to even more disappointment if they get elected and nothing gets done.

[YE]

Hickenlooper was considered a significant upgrade by progressives when he ran in 2010 instead of Bill Ritter. The fact that he is now compared to Manchin just shows how poisonous the alt-left's maximalist rhetoric has become.

I probably prefer Ritter to Hickenlooper but I won't speak for others here. FTR, unlike Hickenlooper, Manchin has at least expressed an openess to M4A.

Manchin is socially conservative, very weak on guns and weak on climate change. The Hick's record here is a little different. Medicare for all won't happen in 2021 even with President Sanders or Warren and a Colorado senator who supports it. They can make all these promises, but it will lead to even more disappointment if they get elected and nothing gets done.

I am somewhat socially conservative, and the Democrats are insane on guns as is, and Hickenlooper is also pretty weak on climate change. If you think just because you don’t think Medicare For All can happen in 2021, doesn’t it make sense to at least try to get as close to the number of votes for some version of M4A as possible, and if that doesn’t work, water it down to public option and shift the overton window to the left.

[SWE]

"M4A is unlikely to pass in 2021 so we should elect opponents to it as to make it harder to pass later down the line"

[Landslide Lyndon]

"M4A is unlikely to pass in 2021 so we should elect opponents to it as to make it harder to pass later down the line"

Medicare for All won't happen until someone concocts a workable formula that doesn't raise middle class taxes. If that happens then you'll see many of today's opponents supporting it.
But until then it's a matter of political survival. Because if we learned something the previous decade it's that tinkering with the health care system is the surest way to lose your congressional majority.

[coloradocowboi]

Hickenlooper was considered a significant upgrade by progressives when he ran in 2010 instead of Bill Ritter. The fact that he is now compared to Manchin just shows how poisonous the alt-left's maximalist rhetoric has become.

This is not true at all. Ritter was forced out by donors so that Hickenlooper could run. The people on the ground (I was one) were dismayed. Ritter was slightly more conservative than Hick on SSM and abortion, but way more liberal on the environment--which is why Brownstein and the oil interests he represents in court gave their money and backing to Hickenlooper.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Hickenlooper was considered a significant upgrade by progressives when he ran in 2010 instead of Bill Ritter. The fact that he is now compared to Manchin just shows how poisonous the alt-left's maximalist rhetoric has become.

This is not true at all. Ritter was forced out by donors so that Hickenlooper could run. The people on the ground (I was one) were dismayed. Ritter was slightly more conservative than Hick on SSM and abortion, but way more liberal on the environment--which is why Brownstein and the oil interests he represents in court gave their money and backing to Hickenlooper.

I thought the main reason he was considered a conservaDem was his hostility towards labor unions.

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

We know Hickenlooper wont be like Manchin. That's not the point. I want the overton window to shift and we cant do that if we are letting people like Hickenlooperwin in Safe D states like Colorado