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« on: December 11, 2018, 01:49:28 PM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders

What if every single House, Senate, and Gubernatorial candidate adopted all of those issues?

What would the map for the House, Senate, and governorships look like?
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2018, 02:08:34 PM »

Senate Manchin loses and Tester does too.
Sinema still wins because Green drops out earlier.
Heller was doomed
house D+35. if Golden can win in a trump +10 district with sanders policies basically anyone wins
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2018, 02:27:48 PM »

Yeah, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. Almost no one votes based on ideology.
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« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2018, 04:18:58 PM »

Less gains in Sunbelt suburbia, more in Obama-Trump districts.
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« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2018, 04:19:51 PM »

Heitkamp, Donnelly, Bredesen all win by 5+.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2018, 04:39:28 PM »
« Edited: December 11, 2018, 07:38:05 PM by Politician »

Senate:


Governors:
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2018, 05:53:57 PM »

This much I can say for sure: in this scenario, it is highly probable that Democrats would flip the Senate in addition to the House, as well as a few more governorships.
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2018, 06:01:08 PM »

Almost nothing would've been different.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2018, 06:37:32 PM »


Gillum did have very similar positions to Bernie, and still lost. In GA, Kemp probably still screws with the election somehow. No way SC flips unless McMaster REALLY screwed up. SD, KS and OH are debatable, and I really can't see how NH flips. 
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2018, 06:48:10 PM »

Lol at all the hacks . Most people said that sleeping joe and air xlaire were too liberal. I'm not saying they shouldn't have moved left a bit anyway after kavanaugh but lol at sanders policies winning.
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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2018, 06:51:55 PM »

Lol at all the hacks . Most people said that sleeping joe and air xlaire were too liberal. I'm not saying they shouldn't have moved left a bit anyway after kavanaugh but lol at sanders policies winning.

I know right? Holy sh**t at all these hacks who are saying "it would have made very little difference" or "D's would have improved to the point where the Senate would be flipped."

I mean...holy ****!
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2018, 07:14:37 PM »

Both the people who say they'd do substantially better across the board and those who say they'd do substantially worse across the board have no clue how American politics actually work.

(Now, if all Democrats had Bernie's charisma and authenticity, now that could have made a difference in some places - but still only to some extent.)
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2018, 07:15:58 PM »

Lol at all the hacks . Most people said that sleeping joe and air xlaire were too liberal. I'm not saying they shouldn't have moved left a bit anyway after kavanaugh but lol at sanders policies winning.
I think in the house it's a minor difference . People like brindisi probably lose but as we saw katie porter won so it didn't matter in the true swing districts

I know right? Holy sh**t at all these hacks who are saying "it would have made very little difference" or "D's would have improved to the point where the Senate would be flipped."

I mean...holy ****!

It didn't seem to matter in Southern California but I'm sure it would matter quite a bit in many other parts of the country.
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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2018, 07:16:58 PM »

Lol at all the hacks . Most people said that sleeping joe and air xlaire were too liberal. I'm not saying they shouldn't have moved left a bit anyway after kavanaugh but lol at sanders policies winning.

I know right? Holy sh**t at all these hacks who are saying "it would have made very little difference" or "D's would have improved to the point where the Senate would be flipped."

I mean...holy ****!

Exactly, The Dems would do much worse in MO, IN, ND, WV and the South and Plains in general. lol

I admit, I was being sarcastic and was surprised that others agreed with what I was saying.
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2018, 07:27:47 PM »

Both the people who say they'd do substantially better across the board and those who say they'd do substantially worse across the board have no clue how American politics actually work.

(Now, if all Democrats had Bernie's charisma and authenticity, now that could have made a difference in some places - but still only to some extent.)

I think the BS platform is more popular in certain areas of the country, but I gotta say...there's no way that Donnelly, McCaskill, and Heitkamp win with that platform. I bet Nelson does even worse.

I'm pretty sure that Tester would lose, as Bernie's policies on certain social issues are anathema to Montana. Sure, Tester is a populistic D, but that's still quite different from a guy like Bernie.

I think that the GOP wins MO and IN with at least 55% and ND with at least 60%. I think that Sinema loses - after all, she wouldn't have won without the decent chunk of GOP support she got via being a 'moderate.'

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/arizona/senate

She got around 12% of Republicans  and 50% of Independents (McSally got 47% of Independents). I think Sinema would get low single digit GOP support and at least less than 50% I support --> easy McSally victory. Hell I think McSally wins by at least a 5% margin. 

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/indiana

Donnelly got around 8% GOP and 47% Indie support.  I bet that it gets close to 3% GOP support and that much of that Indie support goes to Brenton or even Braun --> Braun getting at least 55% of the vote (he got 51% IRL). Same thing applies to other D-->R flips.

I do think that Nelson would have gotten around the same amount that Gillum did, or even slightly worse because Rick Scott at the very least has more bipartisan appeal than DeSantis.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/ohio/senate

I also think that Sherrod Brown would lose. The 11% GOP support he got would plummet, and I think he would get a decent sized chunk lower than 56% of Indy support. I don't think he loses by that much, but it would be a Renacci victory.
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2018, 07:29:52 PM »

Both the people who say they'd do substantially better across the board and those who say they'd do substantially worse across the board have no clue how American politics actually work.

(Now, if all Democrats had Bernie's charisma and authenticity, now that could have made a difference in some places - but still only to some extent.)

I think the BS platform is more popular in certain areas of the country, but I gotta say...there's no way that Donnelly, McCaskill, and Heitkamp win with that platform. I bet Nelson does even worse.

I'm pretty sure that Tester would lose, as Bernie's policies on certain social issues are anathema to Montana. Sure, Tester is a populistic D, but that's still quite different from a guy like Bernie.

I think that the GOP wins MO and IN with at least 55% and ND with at least 60%. I think that Sinema loses - after all, she wouldn't have won without the decent chunk of GOP support she got via being a 'moderate.'

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/arizona/senate

She got around 12% of Republicans  and 50% of Independents (McSally got 47% of Independents). I think Sinema would get low single digit GOP support and at least less than 50% I support --> easy McSally victory. Hell I think McSally wins by at least a 5% margin. 

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/indiana

Donnelly got around 8% GOP and 47% Indie support.  I bet that it gets close to 3% GOP support and that much of that Indie support goes to Brenton or even Braun --> Braun getting at least 55% of the vote (he got 51% IRL). Same thing applies to other D-->R flips.

I do think that Nelson would have gotten around the same amount that Gillum did, or even slightly worse because Rick Scott at the very least has more bipartisan appeal than DeSantis.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2018/exit-polls/ohio/senate

I also think that Sherrod Brown would lose. The 11% GOP support he got would plummet, and I think he would get a decent sized chunk lower than 56% of Indy support. I don't think he loses by that much, but it would be a Renacci victory.
Sinema wins lol. Green gets basically 0 of the vote . Sinema had a large buffer
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2018, 07:30:14 PM »

If every democratic candidate had run on the Bernie Sanders’ platform I think democrats would have lost more seats in the Senate but in the house the effects would have been more mixed.

In the senate democrats would probably lose OH, WV, MT and they would fail to win AZ

OH : Sherrod Brown is of course a very progressive senator but he didn’t ran on a Medicare for all platform like Sanders, he was significantly more nuanced on Trump than Sanders and he didn’t call Trump « dangerous ». Had Brown ran on a vocal anti Trump platform he probably would have been defeated because Trump remains very popular in Ohio
WV : Manchin would have been trounced had he adopted Sanders’ positions, Sanders is vocally against fossil energies and there are few doubts than in a coal producing state like West Virginia such positions are very unpopular and would have been an anchor around Manchin’s neck
Of course Sanders is pro abortion and in a conservative state like West Virginia it would have been fatal
MT : Tester didn’t criticise Trump too much and tried to highlight how they worked together so I guess that if Tester had run like a Sanders’ clone he probably would have lost in MT
AZ : Sinema won because she was able to appeal to some fiscally conservative voters, had she campaigned on Sanders’ positions she would have lost exactly as David Garcia.
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2018, 07:37:02 PM »

If every democratic candidate had run on the Bernie Sanders’ platform I think democrats would have lost more seats in the Senate but in the house the effects would have been more mixed.

In the senate democrats would probably lose OH, WV, MT and they would fail to win AZ

OH : Sherrod Brown is of course a very progressive senator but he didn’t ran on a Medicare for all platform like Sanders, he was significantly more nuanced on Trump than Sanders and he didn’t call Trump « dangerous ». Had Brown ran on a vocal anti Trump platform he probably would have been defeated because Trump remains very popular in Ohio
WV : Manchin would have been trounced had he adopted Sanders’ positions, Sanders is vocally against fossil energies and there are few doubts than in a coal producing state like West Virginia such positions are very unpopular and would have been an anchor around Manchin’s neck
Of course Sanders is pro abortion and in a conservative state like West Virginia it would have been fatal
MT : Tester didn’t criticise Trump too much and tried to highlight how they worked together so I guess that if Tester had run like a Sanders’ clone he probably would have lost in MT
AZ : Sinema won because she was able to appeal to some fiscally conservative voters, had she campaigned on Sanders’ positions she would have lost exactly as David Garcia.

Oh yeah, what many Atlas users don't seem to get is that while some of Bernie's stances would generate excitement in many areas of the country, others would get the kind of "moderate" voter willing to vote for a bipartisan like Sinema, to vote for the GOP candidate instead, unless said GOP candidate was too far right.

I think this partly explains why Beto did so well in Texas vs Ted. Beto was a bit too openly liberal, but it didn't help that Ted is considered to be one of the most extreme Senators.

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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2018, 07:39:51 PM »


Now this is my favorite part.

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https://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/sep/06/ron-desantis/no-floridas-andrew-gillum-not-socialist/

No, his policies are not "socialist" in the actual sense, but yes, Gillum's platform was influenced greatly by Bernie Sanders.

He ran with Bernie's policies and support. And lost.
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« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2018, 07:44:01 PM »


Sinema wins lol. Green gets basically 0 of the vote . Sinema had a large buffer

Sinema only won by 2.4%. Take away her GOP support and some of that Indy support, and McSally wins.
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« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2018, 07:48:06 PM »


Sinema wins lol. Green gets basically 0 of the vote . Sinema had a large buffer

Sinema only won by 2.4%. Take away her GOP support and some of that Indy support, and McSally wins.
The green got 2.5 percent lol. Sinema wins by 1 or 2 points because greens join her.it was basically a median house district.
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2018, 08:00:56 PM »

Not much would change, 2018 sorta proved that people only care about party, not ideology.
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« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2018, 12:11:19 AM »

Manchin, Tester, Sinema, Kelly (KS), and Evers lose, and House Democrats probably gain ~20 seats instead of 40.
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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2018, 12:30:28 AM »
« Edited: December 12, 2018, 11:19:51 AM by NewYorkExpress »

Senate:

Democrats lose everything except New York and Massachusetts and Vermont.

House:

Democrats lose anywhere from 10-20 seats (their most vulnerable incumbents). Add another 20-40 seats if Hillary is President.

Governors:

Democrats lose everything except New York, Hawaii, Illinois and California (and they also lose Illinois if Hillary is President)
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« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2018, 12:42:29 AM »

Manchin, Tester, Sinema, Kelly (KS), and Evers lose, and House Democrats probably gain ~20 seats instead of 40.
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