IceSpear was right!

[OSR stands with Israel]

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Lmao what? This is so f****** stupid. Wiki says Mahaska County has went Republican in every single Presidential election since 1968, Marion County in all but two (1976 and 1988). Gore lost these counties by 20 points. Does she seriously think these are the places which certain Democrats want to win back? That Sanders wants Democrats to win over conservative evangelical single issue abortion voters and people who actually care about opposing gay marriage? Christ. No wonder the Clinton campaign was such a trainwreck when they had these idiots organising for her.

Still, Mahaska County went from 59-39 in 2012 for Romney to 70-25 for Trump in 2016. And Marion County went from 56-42 in 2012 for Romney, to 62-31 for Trump in 2016.

These aren't counties that a democrat needs to win, but they certainly need to win back some of those rural voters and avoid being completely blown out.

So her overall hypothesis is still right, these counties are also full of Obama-Trump voters.

Bingo. In 2008 my wife and I housed and Obama field volunteer for several months who is assigned to the first and fourth most Republican voting counties in Ohio. There are persuadable voters in every Community. You're going to find arguably the same ratio in a 70/30 Republican County versus a 60/40 democratic County. Admittedly, even in the last 10 years things have changed where the name of the game is turn out more than persuasion, but even there there's still the issue of turning out vote the nearly half of Voters who don't show up at the polls but might like your guy.

Organizer never had any illusions of, LOL, winning either County. Our goal was to lose by no more than 40 in my own County, which we narrowly accomplished. You add these numbers up cross 88 counties, and that's what creates a Statewide win. Winning big numbers in Cleveland and Columbus aren't going to help if you get blown out 85/15 in a host of small counties as opposed to 70/30, which is exactly what happened in 2016 and, to a lesser degree, in 2018.

When was the last time you supported the Republican candidate for president

[Calthrina950]

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Lmao what? This is so f****** stupid. Wiki says Mahaska County has went Republican in every single Presidential election since 1968, Marion County in all but two (1976 and 1988). Gore lost these counties by 20 points. Does she seriously think these are the places which certain Democrats want to win back? That Sanders wants Democrats to win over conservative evangelical single issue abortion voters and people who actually care about opposing gay marriage? Christ. No wonder the Clinton campaign was such a trainwreck when they had these idiots organising for her.

Still, Mahaska County went from 59-39 in 2012 for Romney to 70-25 for Trump in 2016. And Marion County went from 56-42 in 2012 for Romney, to 62-31 for Trump in 2016.

These aren't counties that a democrat needs to win, but they certainly need to win back some of those rural voters and avoid being completely blown out.

So her overall hypothesis is still right, these counties are also full of Obama-Trump voters.

Bingo. In 2008 my wife and I housed and Obama field volunteer for several months who is assigned to the first and fourth most Republican voting counties in Ohio. There are persuadable voters in every Community. You're going to find arguably the same ratio in a 70/30 Republican County versus a 60/40 democratic County. Admittedly, even in the last 10 years things have changed where the name of the game is turn out more than persuasion, but even there there's still the issue of turning out vote the nearly half of Voters who don't show up at the polls but might like your guy.

Organizer never had any illusions of, LOL, winning either County. Our goal was to lose by no more than 40 in my own County, which we narrowly accomplished. You add these numbers up cross 88 counties, and that's what creates a Statewide win. Winning big numbers in Cleveland and Columbus aren't going to help if you get blown out 85/15 in a host of small counties as opposed to 70/30, which is exactly what happened in 2016 and, to a lesser degree, in 2018.

When was the last time you supported the Republican candidate for president?

[GMantis]

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Lmao what? This is so f****** stupid. Wiki says Mahaska County has went Republican in every single Presidential election since 1968, Marion County in all but two (1976 and 1988). Gore lost these counties by 20 points. Does she seriously think these are the places which certain Democrats want to win back? That Sanders wants Democrats to win over conservative evangelical single issue abortion voters and people who actually care about opposing gay marriage? Christ. No wonder the Clinton campaign was such a trainwreck when they had these idiots organising for her.

Still, Mahaska County went from 59-39 in 2012 for Romney to 70-25 for Trump in 2016. And Marion County went from 56-42 in 2012 for Romney, to 62-31 for Trump in 2016.

These aren't counties that a democrat needs to win, but they certainly need to win back some of those rural voters and avoid being completely blown out.

So her overall hypothesis is still right, these counties are also full of Obama-Trump voters.

Of course that's what she meant. But it's much easier and convenient for the bros to twist and misinterpret her words and then start attacking her as a "dumb bitch".

Approximately 25% of voters in those two counties voted for Obama and stayed home in 2016 or voted for Trump. She does not seem to have noticed any of them or is deliberately ignoring them, using voters who almost certainly were Republicans even before 2016 as an argument that they need to give up on these places - exactly the opposite of what you claim she meant.

[Fuzzy Bear]

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Lmao what? This is so f****** stupid. Wiki says Mahaska County has went Republican in every single Presidential election since 1968, Marion County in all but two (1976 and 1988). Gore lost these counties by 20 points. Does she seriously think these are the places which certain Democrats want to win back? That Sanders wants Democrats to win over conservative evangelical single issue abortion voters and people who actually care about opposing gay marriage? Christ. No wonder the Clinton campaign was such a trainwreck when they had these idiots organising for her.

Still, Mahaska County went from 59-39 in 2012 for Romney to 70-25 for Trump in 2016. And Marion County went from 56-42 in 2012 for Romney, to 62-31 for Trump in 2016.

These aren't counties that a democrat needs to win, but they certainly need to win back some of those rural voters and avoid being completely blown out.

So her overall hypothesis is still right, these counties are also full of Obama-Trump voters.

Bingo. In 2008 my wife and I housed and Obama field volunteer for several months who is assigned to the first and fourth most Republican voting counties in Ohio. There are persuadable voters in every Community. You're going to find arguably the same ratio in a 70/30 Republican County versus a 60/40 democratic County. Admittedly, even in the last 10 years things have changed where the name of the game is turn out more than persuasion, but even there there's still the issue of turning out vote the nearly half of Voters who don't show up at the polls but might like your guy.

Organizer never had any illusions of, LOL, winning either County. Our goal was to lose by no more than 40 in my own County, which we narrowly accomplished. You add these numbers up cross 88 counties, and that's what creates a Statewide win. Winning big numbers in Cleveland and Columbus aren't going to help if you get blown out 85/15 in a host of small counties as opposed to 70/30, which is exactly what happened in 2016 and, to a lesser degree, in 2018.

When was the last time you supported the Republican candidate for president?

That's a fair question to a guy who has never said a positive word about the vast majority of Republicans, yet wears his blue avatar stubbornly.

It's not even as if Badger votes for Democrats on a significant number of occasions (as I do), or even self-identifies as a Democrat, but disagrees from Democratic orthodoxy on key issues and lives in a GOP locale.  His postings are those of a standard liberal Democrat.  That's fine; lots of people here I like are Democrats with liberal views, but unless Badger is a Charles Whelan Ohio Republican I don't get it.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Approximately 25% of voters in those two counties voted for Obama and stayed home in 2016 or voted for Trump. She does not seem to have noticed any of them or is deliberately ignoring them, using voters who almost certainly were Republicans even before 2016 as an argument that they need to give up on these places - exactly the opposite of what you claim she meant.

No, it's not. If you read her entire thread she mentions that many of these people who hated Mexicans, abortion, and didn't believe that a woman can be president, at the same time admitted that Democratic economic policies have benefited both the state and them personally.
I doubt that partisan, hardcore Republicans would ever admit that publicly. And of course debunks the theory that these people didn't vote Democratic because Clinton didn't talk enough about the economy.