"The Left Case Against Open Borders" by Anegla Nagle

[Starry Eyed Jagaloon]

Just put Mortimer on ignore already. Don't feed the troll.

[PSOL]

Just put Mortimer on ignore already. Don't feed the troll.

Friend, I know that I am talking to a fool. I’m trying to get him to say outrageous claims to help the bystanders watching the conversation unfold. Why do you think I started engaging with the other fools more often.

[OSR stands with Israel]

We need to recognize that everyone in this thread is being self interested. No one here is showing "solidarity".

Immigrants are advocating for more American resources to go to immigrants.

I, a native born American, am advocating that American resources stay among the current population.

The only difference is I'm in my own country, the country my parents were born in. I'm not going to another country and advocating that I get their resources.

A good 20% of future American economists in my class were descendants of or are recent immigrants. Heck, an insane number of math teachers near me are immigrants. Having names such as Bohuslav, Abrahamovic, and Saiqi in the class as teachers are not uncommon in this area. Take into mind that I go to a white bread private school, those immigrants are directly fostering “your” peoples’ skills.

Tell me friend, what’s your ancestry. Let’s see if I can’t find a recent immigrant ancestor no earlier than the Mayflower Puritans.

lol economists contribute jack to the economy. All they do is write papers about how we need more immigration.

We could deport every immigrant AND native born economist tomorrow and it wouldn't make a difference to the economy.

Do you know the names of any of these economists or their work: Milton Friedman, Thomas Sowell, John Maynard Keynes , Larry Summers.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

This is one of the things that I actually do somewhat agree with Trump on, and I'm not afraid to say it as someone who usually cannot stand him.

While the issue of immigration is much smaller than it is made out to be, I don't see a problem with addressing concerns that people are crossing into the country illegally. I've long supported legal immigration while better enforcing the border to stop more undocumented immigrants from coming in.

As for undocumented immigrants who are already in the country, that's a tougher question. The best solution to the problem I can see is to provide a path to citizenship. However, undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported. This might upset those on the right who see this as "amnesty", but simply rounding up every undocumented immigrant who has lived in the country for years is impractical, and the money used to do that has better uses.

Respectfully, I think you should re-think your wording here. Trump's "position" on the border is to cater to racism and xenophobia for political capital, nothing more.

There are very real issues related to immigration that do need to be publicly addressed and solved (or solutions will emerge that will not be good for anyone), including: employers abusing illegal labor (and the nasty realities of some major sectors of our economy, including food production), the strong strain of xenophobia in our culture, our *need* for immigration, coming demographic shifts and how we are going to handle them, how to address the needs of our fellow human beings in the Western Hemisphere and elsewhere, how to address climate-driven mass migration, and ultimately what sort of society do we want to have here in the US (assuming that the States continue to be United) and how do we make it happen.

Republicans and Trump address none of this. They simply fan flames and hope that when everything has burned down, there will magically be a replica of the house from Leave It To Beaver standing amidst the rubble.

[Famous Mortimer]

This is one of the things that I actually do somewhat agree with Trump on, and I'm not afraid to say it as someone who usually cannot stand him.

While the issue of immigration is much smaller than it is made out to be, I don't see a problem with addressing concerns that people are crossing into the country illegally. I've long supported legal immigration while better enforcing the border to stop more undocumented immigrants from coming in.

As for undocumented immigrants who are already in the country, that's a tougher question. The best solution to the problem I can see is to provide a path to citizenship. However, undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported. This might upset those on the right who see this as "amnesty", but simply rounding up every undocumented immigrant who has lived in the country for years is impractical, and the money used to do that has better uses.

Respectfully, I think you should re-think your wording here. Trump's "position" on the border is to cater to racism and xenophobia for political capital, nothing more.

There are very real issues related to immigration that do need to be publicly addressed and solved (or solutions will emerge that will not be good for anyone), including: employers abusing illegal labor (and the nasty realities of some major sectors of our economy, including food production), the strong strain of xenophobia in our culture, our *need* for immigration, coming demographic shifts and how we are going to handle them, how to address the needs of our fellow human beings in the Western Hemisphere and elsewhere, how to address climate-driven mass migration, and ultimately what sort of society do we want to have here in the US (assuming that the States continue to be United) and how do we make it happen.

Republicans and Trump address none of this. They simply fan flames and hope that when everything has burned down, there will magically be a replica of the house from Leave It To Beaver standing amidst the rubble.

Funny that you have a Hitler-Trump sig because this is absolutely totalitarian propaganda you just wrote. Some guy voices his concern about illegal immigration and you feign agreement that "yes, there are issues" but all the issues are about how we don't give enough free stuff to foreigners and we don't smile hard enough when we give them free stuff.

[Cold War Liberal]

Unless Morty is 100% Native American, then somewhere along the line at least one of his ancestors (likely almost all of them) came to this country, likely from Europe. Just something I wanna point out to him.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Unless Morty is 100% Native American, then somewhere along the line at least one of his ancestors (likely almost all of them) came to this country, likely from Europe. Just something I wanna point out to him.

Are you implying a bigoted reactionary is a hypocrite!?!

[Person Man]

Another $0.02. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. What if migrants could be "physically" assimilated? Would that change anyone's calculus on the issue?

[Devout Centrist]

Yeesh, Morty you have to stop having heart palpitations whenever you see a Brown person

[ag]

I am not a leftist. Why should I bother about another pile of national socialist crap you post?

[Mr. Morden]

Unless Morty is 100% Native American, then somewhere along the line at least one of his ancestors (likely almost all of them) came to this country

Wouldn't that apply even if he was 100% Native American?  Homo sapiens haven't been on this continent forever.

[PragmaticPopulist]

This is one of the things that I actually do somewhat agree with Trump on, and I'm not afraid to say it as someone who usually cannot stand him.

While the issue of immigration is much smaller than it is made out to be, I don't see a problem with addressing concerns that people are crossing into the country illegally. I've long supported legal immigration while better enforcing the border to stop more undocumented immigrants from coming in.

As for undocumented immigrants who are already in the country, that's a tougher question. The best solution to the problem I can see is to provide a path to citizenship. However, undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported. This might upset those on the right who see this as "amnesty", but simply rounding up every undocumented immigrant who has lived in the country for years is impractical, and the money used to do that has better uses.

Respectfully, I think you should re-think your wording here. Trump's "position" on the border is to cater to racism and xenophobia for political capital, nothing more.

There are very real issues related to immigration that do need to be publicly addressed and solved (or solutions will emerge that will not be good for anyone), including: employers abusing illegal labor (and the nasty realities of some major sectors of our economy, including food production), the strong strain of xenophobia in our culture, our *need* for immigration, coming demographic shifts and how we are going to handle them, how to address the needs of our fellow human beings in the Western Hemisphere and elsewhere, how to address climate-driven mass migration, and ultimately what sort of society do we want to have here in the US (assuming that the States continue to be United) and how do we make it happen.

Republicans and Trump address none of this. They simply fan flames and hope that when everything has burned down, there will magically be a replica of the house from Leave It To Beaver standing amidst the rubble.

Of course I realize that the Republican plan is not meant to address the problem at all. It's just that they have good enough messaging that people perceive it as a bigger problem than it is.

For the record, I'm 100% against Trump's plan to cut legal immigration. It is nothing but red meat for the most racist parts of his base. I'm in favor of making legal immigration easier to deter people from coming in illegally, and letting in more people legally.

[Sumner 1868]

I swear one of these pieces are posted on Atlas every week now.

[MAINEiac4434]

Angela Nagle is an idiot and doesn't represent anyone on the left at all.

Open borders is the only morally justifiable immigration policy for a nation as large and as rich as the United States of America.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Angela Nagle is an idiot and doesn't represent anyone on the left at all.

Open borders is the only morally justifiable immigration policy for a nation as large and as rich as the United States of America.

I presume you believe governments to be accountable to everyone rather than their citizens?

[Hindsight was 2020]

So about this “liberal” author https://mobile.twitter.com/JonEHecht/status/1067251636383363072

[Yank2133]

For those interested in the actual facts:

https://twitter.com/bopinion/status/1066760032841359360

The most hilarious thing about this is the people who worry about this the most are the ones who don't live in communities with immigrants/illegal immigrants.

[Silent Hunter]

Angela Nagle is an idiot and doesn't represent anyone on the left at all.

Open borders is the only morally justifiable immigration policy for a nation as large and as rich as the United States of America.

When you say 'open borders', I think of Schengen.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Anyone who actually supports open borders (a term which originated as a right-wing scare tactic) while claiming to be left-of-centre is a complete idiot. Totally incompatible with any social democratic (US liberal) welfare state.

Angela Nagle is an idiot and doesn't represent anyone on the left at all.

Open borders is the only morally justifiable immigration policy for a nation as large and as rich as the United States of America.

Please tell me how:
Medicare for all
A federal jobs guarantee
Universal basic income
Free college tuition
etc.
are at all feasible if you believe they should apply to everyone who can afford a plane ticket to the United States. Do you believe the US government has infinite money?

[Famous Mortimer]

Angela Nagle is an idiot and doesn't represent anyone on the left at all.

Open borders is the only morally justifiable immigration policy for a nation as large and as rich as the United States of America.

We wouldn't be rich anymore if we redistribute all our resources among all the needy of the world. We would end up needy ourselves.