Democratic Leadership Elections

[Landslide Lyndon]

Fudge is apparently just one of two House Democrats who refuses to cosponsor the Equality Act.

The other, of course, being Dan Lipinski.

So if this is who the anti-Pelosi faction is unifying around, I'm not surprised.

Yes, Fudge is totally anti-LGBT because she didn't co sponsor a bill...

Yes, in fact cosponsoring and supporting things in terms of votes is more important to the efforts for equality than wearing some face paint and making some public statements.

Nothing in her record suggests she's anti-LGBT in anyway, this is like saying if a member doesn't vote for a omnibus they don't want to fund cancer research or whatever else is stuffed in a budget.

http://www.ontheissues.org/OH/Marcia_Fudge_Civil_Rights.htm

Nothing in Pelosi's record suggests she is racist either, and yet Fudge does her dog whistle thing.

[Former Kentuckian]

The only progressive outside of the list that I can think of saying they wouldn't support Pelosi is Tlaib during the campaign season. But I haven't seen her railing against Pelosi after her victory. Maybe she's gonna vote for her now.

If other progressives back Pelosi, I'm willing to bet Tlaib does too. The progressive faction might not be fond of Pelosi, but they seem to be steering clear of this leadership stuff. They're not mentioned in any of the articles, and they're not on any lists. This seems to be a moderate/conservative Democrat revolt judging by the list and Fudge.

Not to mention that Ocasio-Cortez could have mentioned opposition to Pelosi during the climate protest at Pelosi's office this week but she didn't. The fact that she focused on putting pressure on Pelosi to get climate change on the menu seems to suggest that she sees Pelosi as the Leader when she'll be in Congress. The fact that Raul Grijalva has pledged to vote for Pelosi probably factors into Ocasio-Cortez's decision, too.

[new_patomic]

Fudge is apparently just one of two House Democrats who refuses to cosponsor the Equality Act.

The other, of course, being Dan Lipinski.

So if this is who the anti-Pelosi faction is unifying around, I'm not surprised.

Yes, Fudge is totally anti-LGBT because she didn't co sponsor a bill...

Yes, in fact cosponsoring and supporting things in terms of votes is more important to the efforts for equality than wearing some face paint and making some public statements.

Nothing in her record suggests she's anti-LGBT in anyway, this is like saying if a member doesn't vote for a omnibus they don't want to fund cancer research or whatever else is stuffed in a budget.

http://www.ontheissues.org/OH/Marcia_Fudge_Civil_Rights.htm

Look, I don't think she's homophobic. I don't count her as being the same as Dan Lipinski.

But when it comes down to it the most expansive legislation we have for protecting LGBT people across the country is cosponsored by all but two House Democrats. Elijah Cummings, Danny K. Davis, Jim Clyburn, they apparently don't have the same problems with it as she does. Tim Ryan, Seth Moulton, Jim Cooper, none of them have withheld their support.

So as unfair as it may be to her, I don't want her for Speaker, and this is going to be my red line. If you don't back the Equality Act, you're not going to be considered.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Golden is a no on Pelosi. Which is smart.

Smart guy. I'm glad Dems are waking up to how poisonous she is. 

[Yank2133]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

[lfromnj]

Golden is a no on Pelosi. Which is smart.

I mean its a trump+8 district. These votes are smart. Even Pelosi won't hold major grudges over these votes. The problem for her is that people in safer districts don't want her like Moulton, Tim Ryan, cooper and Fudge and are taking advantage of this.

[henster]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

[Former Kentuckian]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

I do think that's true.

[Former Kentuckian]

Let's pretend for a minute that this revolt won't be a complete disaster and that they actually do succeed in replacing Pelosi. Would she continue on as a rank-and-file Representative until the next election or would she resign from office?

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

Why are Dems so interested in holding on to fossils in leadership? The GOP is always willing to innovate. We don't see Newt Gingrich being the House minority leader, do we? 

[Skye]

Would be shocking if she lost.

[lfromnj]

Let's pretend for a minute that this revolt won't be a complete disaster and that they actually do succeed in replacing Pelosi. Would she continue on as a rank-and-file Representative until the next election or would she resign from office?

I think she resigns but not sure as the majority is quite narrow(only 14 votes.)

[Yank2133]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

Really? Then why are they propping up a 66 year old?

This isn't a generational thing. It is about ideology. The "revolt" is coming from moderate white guys, who are politically inept and think it is the late 90's and early 2000's.

[Former Kentuckian]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

Really? Then why are they propping up a 66 year old?

I think it's about growing up with the same person in power rather than age (same with Bernie and Hillary).

The young progressive attitude toward Pelosi on here is generational, but you're right that the actual revolt in Congress is led by moderates

[Yank2133]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

Really? Then why are they propping up a 66 year old?

I think it's about growing up with the same person in power rather than age (same with Bernie and Hillary).

The young progressive attitude toward Pelosi on here is generational, but you're right that the actual revolt in Congress is led by moderates

This would be fine and dandy if the people potentially replacing Pelosi were young progressives. But they aren't. It is just incredibly dumb for any progressive to cheer this on. Again, if Moulton and Ryan are successful, then we are going right back to 2001 and that would be a disaster.

Luckily, most progressive in congress are smarter then the some of the dopes on here and realize that they would be shooting themselves in the foot by signing on to this nonsense.

[Former Kentuckian]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

Really? Then why are they propping up a 66 year old?

I think it's about growing up with the same person in power rather than age (same with Bernie and Hillary).

The young progressive attitude toward Pelosi on here is generational, but you're right that the actual revolt in Congress is led by moderates

This would be fine and dandy if the people potentially replacing Pelosi were young progressives. But they aren't. It is just incredibly dumb for any progressive to cheer this on. Again, if Moulton and Ryan are successful, then we are going right back to 2001 and that would be a disaster.

Luckily, most progressive in congress are smarter then the some of the dopes on here and realize that they would be shooting themselves in the foot by signing on to this nonsense.

I do think you're right in that it's important to distinguish between progressives in Congress and progressives on Atlas lol Atlas users (of any ideological stripe) aren't exactly known for their critical thinking skills lol

But I do think a lot of the progressives here on Atlas are very young (or seem to be. Most seem to identify as Millennials or Generation Z) and are getting excited over the potential change in leadership (something they've never experienced/weren't old enough to experience) and aren't aware of the ramifications.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

Really? Then why are they propping up a 66 year old?

I think it's about growing up with the same person in power rather than age (same with Bernie and Hillary).

The young progressive attitude toward Pelosi on here is generational, but you're right that the actual revolt in Congress is led by moderates

This would be fine and dandy if the people potentially replacing Pelosi were young progressives. But they aren't. It is just incredibly dumb for any progressive to cheer this on. Again, if Moulton and Ryan are successful, then we are going right back to 2001 and that would be a disaster.

Luckily, most progressive in congress are smarter then the some of the dopes on here and realize that they would be shooting themselves in the foot by signing on to this nonsense.

I do think you're right in that it's important to distinguish between progressives in Congress and progressives on Atlas lol Atlas users (of any ideological stripe) aren't exactly known for their critical thinking skills lol

But I do think a lot of the progressives here on Atlas are very young (or seem to be. Most seem to identify as Millennials or Generation Z) and are getting excited over the potential change in leadership (something they've never experienced/weren't old enough to experience) and aren't aware of the ramifications.

Here we are chattering about throwing back to '01, when Pelosi is a literal throwback to '09. Hmm, what happened a year later, may I ask? The progressives need to join in and put their money where their mouth is and throw out the centrist fossil calling for "bipartisanship".

[Yank2133]

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I don't see youth as being an excuse. I am a millennial as well and even though I would like to see young progressives take over, I am smart enough to realize that this gambit doesn't do that and even so right now is not the time to do so.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Pelosi has never called for or governed in a way based on "bipartisanship".

The Senate in Obama's first term with Lieberman and a bunch of Blue Dogs, sure. But not Pelosi.

[Peanut]

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It is.

This is why it is hilarious and sad how some dumb progressives on here are cheering this on. If Ryan and Moulton get their way, Democrats will be cutting deals with R's like it is 2001. If that happens, I don't want to hear from these people anymore.

This is a generational thing more than a ideological one.

Really? Then why are they propping up a 66 year old?

I think it's about growing up with the same person in power rather than age (same with Bernie and Hillary).

The young progressive attitude toward Pelosi on here is generational, but you're right that the actual revolt in Congress is led by moderates

This would be fine and dandy if the people potentially replacing Pelosi were young progressives. But they aren't. It is just incredibly dumb for any progressive to cheer this on. Again, if Moulton and Ryan are successful, then we are going right back to 2001 and that would be a disaster.

Luckily, most progressive in congress are smarter then the some of the dopes on here and realize that they would be shooting themselves in the foot by signing on to this nonsense.

I do think you're right in that it's important to distinguish between progressives in Congress and progressives on Atlas lol Atlas users (of any ideological stripe) aren't exactly known for their critical thinking skills lol

But I do think a lot of the progressives here on Atlas are very young (or seem to be. Most seem to identify as Millennials or Generation Z) and are getting excited over the potential change in leadership (something they've never experienced/weren't old enough to experience) and aren't aware of the ramifications.

I'm Gen Z. I'm also a progressive. I also strongly support Pelosi, who is our best bet for obstructing the hell out of this White House, not a faux progressive, whose record, comments, and background are anything but.

[Landslide Lyndon]

This guy wants to be Democrats' new leader. Seriously.

https://twitter.com/emilymbadger/status/1063184904664633350

[Yank2133]

This guy wants to be Democrats' new leader. Seriously.

https://twitter.com/emilymbadger/status/1063184904664633350

He is politically inept. However, since he is white guy from the midwest, people pretend that he is a serious person.

Get him the **** out of here.

[Mr. Morden]

This would be fine and dandy if the people potentially replacing Pelosi were young progressives. But they aren't.

I don't think we really know who would be replacing her.  Fudge may be the stand in at the moment, but she's not going to win a majority of the Democratic caucus.  Instead, the coup would succeed by enough Dems vowing not to vote for Pelosi as Speaker on the floor (even she commands majority support in the caucus) that she gives up and withdraws.  Axios reported early this year that Pelosi was open to doing just that: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=287347.0

At that point, if Pelosi gives up, the Speakership is up for grabs by whoever in the caucus can win everyone over, and that probably won't be anyone currently supporting the coup.  In fact, Pelosi might be able to maneuver things towards a successor of her choice, whoever that might be.

[RogueBeaver]

https://twitter.com/scottwongDC/status/1063202757262356481

[Unbeatable Titan Susan Collins]

If I can't be speaker no one can-Nancy Pelosi/s

In all actuality I can't see Pelosi letting it get to that point. If she fails the first floor vote I think she steps aside rather then let Trump and the GOP attack the Democrats for being unable to field a speaker.