The “Who is running in 2020?” tea leaves thread, Part 3

[Yank2133]

Yep, Sirota, Stoller and other bullsh**t artists aren't going to get traction this cycle. Not a Beto supporter but I have no patience for this purity nonsense that ignores Sanders problematic votes.

They are done and deep down they know it.

I highly doubt Beto will be the nominee, but he will sap support from Bernie and then you have Harris and Booker being strong in the South. Then you have Biden, Gillibrand, Warren etc. Bernie loyalists are starting to realize that he benefited in 2016 from Hillary "clearing" the field. He won't have that advantage in 2020 and Beto's fundraising prowess scares them.

Like I don't even give a damn about Beto, but some of these attacks are pathetic. Like imagine thinking calling Beto "another Obama" is some how an insult in a Democratic primary. Like these people are completely out of touch with the party faithful.

[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Yep, Sirota, Stoller and other bullsh**t artists aren't going to get traction this cycle. Not a Beto supporter but I have no patience for this purity nonsense that ignores Sanders problematic votes.

I’m not even questioning if Sanders’ record. It was good enough for me to vote for him over Hillary. What really bothers me is the feeling I get if people pushing a Bernie or Bust narrative, which is the last thing the country, and frankly the world, needs after two years of the abominable administration.

Bernie doesn't always vote the right way, but he votes the right way a lot more than some New Democrat.

Drink.

Cheers!

[henster]

Bernie on the debate stage with a dozen other people 20-30 years younger than him is going to be such a jarring visual. Bernie and Beto in the same frame or Tulsi, he will definitely look out of place, imagine if he starts having a coughing fit too.

 

[Landslide Lyndon]

It's astonishing how tone-deaf Bernie bros are.
They actually think that calling someone the "new Obama" is an effective attack line in a Democratic primary.

[Mr. Morden]

Casey’s been invited to New Hampshire, but hasn’t accepted, at least not yet:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/24/bob-casey-2020-pennsylvania-clinton-1074811

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[Woody]

Casey’s been invited to New Hampshire, but hasn’t accepted, at least not yet:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/24/bob-casey-2020-pennsylvania-clinton-1074811

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Dick Gephardt 2.0

[wbrocks67]

I love Casey but it's just not gonna happen.

Also, I can't believe we are ALREADY starting with the purity tests again. Bernie Bros are the worst.

[Yank2133]

It's astonishing how tone-deaf Bernie bros are.
They actually think that calling someone the "new Obama" is an effective attack line in a Democratic primary.

Yeah, Obama has 95% approval rating among Democratic voters. These people are out of touch with how Dems actually think.

I look forward to them getting buried again.

[Harlow]

Sirota wasn't calling Beto "the next Obama" just in order to attack Beto, he simultaneously was calling attention to what he feels were Obama's destructive policies on climate and healthcare, among other things, and arguing why those policies are not what the country (or the world) needs right now. Here's a pull quote directly from the article:

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When making an argument for/against candidates, it's much more productive and healthy for the political discourse to discuss matters like their actual policy positions than some arbitrary horserace discussion about their popularity or personality. Journalists who eschew the former in favor of the latter aren't doing their jobs, or at the very least shouldn't claim to be serious political journalists ("bloggers" would be a more fitting term).

Not going to derail the thread anymore so I won't continue discussing this, but figured that point needed to be made because it's pretty obvious.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

I can't wait until this Beto/Bernie internet civil war implodes and we all end up with a depressing Kamala Harris nomination.

[Terry the Fat Shark]

Well maybe we can move on from this idiotic argument soon (can't you guys make your own thread about this??)

Now that Christmas is past, nobody can use the old "I need to talk to my family about this during the holidays" excuse anymore, time is running out

[Arnaud]

Sanders is already toast. he's polling poorly for someone with high name id and runner up from 2 years ago.

The reality is a lot of his supporters from last time around have moved and will not support him again.

Twitter and his hardcore supporters will be very disappointed.

[Virginiá]

Please avoid meandering discussions not germane to the thread subject

[Mr. Morden]

A few tidbits here:

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/12/26/staring-contest-trumps-vulnerable-but-2020-dems-off-to-surprisingly-slow-start-in-early-states/23627227/

-Warren expected to make her first Iowa visit early in 2019.

-Harris, Booker, and Warren are looking for office space in Iowa and New Hampshire.

-Bullock “held a conference call recently with donors across the country, in part to solicit input on how to position himself in the early voting states.”

This story also talks about early primary state staffing:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/422513-potential-dem-contenders-look-to-staff-up-ahead-of-2020

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Latest on Sherrod Brown:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/26/sherrod-brown-obama-2020-ohio-1068723

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[An American Tail: Fubart Goes West]

Sounds like Brown is interested; I wonder how much more vocal he would be if Cordray had won the governor’s race.

[Kantakouzenos]

Sounds like Brown is interested; I wonder how much more vocal he would be if Cordray had won the governor’s race.

I would say as much.  Perhaps he really does mean he doesn't know for sure, but all the signs point to him giving it a shot if for no other reason than to get his ideas out there. 

[henster]

I don't want to hear about Brown's ex-wife incident from cons endlessly for the next two years.

[Mr. Morden]

Klobuchar joining much of the rest of the field in saying that she needs to talk the 2020 decision over with her family:

https://www.newsadvance.com/news/trending/should-i-run-for-president-what-some-democrats-are-pondering/article_265f0cdf-7b9b-5a6d-8c28-0e3231e8525d.html

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[Woody]

Klobuchar joining much of the rest of the field in saying that she needs to talk the 2020 decision over with her family:

https://www.newsadvance.com/news/trending/should-i-run-for-president-what-some-democrats-are-pondering/article_265f0cdf-7b9b-5a6d-8c28-0e3231e8525d.html

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Trump would literally slaughter her.

[Landslide Lyndon]

Klobuchar joining much of the rest of the field in saying that she needs to talk the 2020 decision over with her family:

https://www.newsadvance.com/news/trending/should-i-run-for-president-what-some-democrats-are-pondering/article_265f0cdf-7b9b-5a6d-8c28-0e3231e8525d.html

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Trump would literally slaughter her.

Put down that tablet and open a dictionary to learn what "literally" means.

[Mr. Morden]

Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.

[RogueBeaver]

NYT on how Bernie staffers and endorsers are dispersing to various candidates like Beto, Brown and Warren.

[ViaActiva]

Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.

He's worth ~$50bn and has already given at least $8bn to charity, so not really a big sum for him.

[Mr. Morden]

Bloomberg campaign will be largely self-funded:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/26/mike-bloomberg-likely-to-spend-over-100-million-on-a-2020-campaign-for-president-if-he-chooses-to-run.html

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Won't accept any money from PACs but, in the unlikely event that he wins the nomination, I assume he'll still take individual donations.  Because running in the general election costs ~$1 billion, and I assume he doesn't want to come up with that all by himself.

He's worth ~$50bn and has already given at least $8bn to charity, so not really a big sum for him.

Oh wow, I didn't realize his fortune was quite that big.  OK then, never mind. 

[Landslide Lyndon]

NYT on how Bernie staffers and endorsers are dispersing to various candidates like Beto, Brown and Warren.

As long as Susan Sarandon, Jimmy Dore, and Killer Mike still support him, he is good to go.