NYM's big giant thread about voting GOP because something something corporate $$

[I Can Now Die Happy]

@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

[Person Man]

@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

Wow.

[ON Progressive]

@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. I can't believe this guy is even remotely serious.

Also LOL @ a Republican voter complaining about "Democratic corporate money" when your entire party is being paid off by people like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

ON Progressive: "Also LOL @ a Republican voter complaining about "Democratic corporate money" when your entire party is being paid off by people like the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson."

Well yeah, but that's the party of capitalism so who cares. If you're a democratic socialist who wants the Democratic Party to change, you are arguably better off strategically voting Republican on November 6.

Maybe you'd even be better off strategically voting Trump in 2020. Just a thought.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

"They are the only pollster with a Trump approve above 50 - if you believe that then sure, believe the GCB is tied right now"

As someone born in 1994, Trump is easily the greatest President in my lifetime. I'd say he edges out every other President since Eisenhower as well. Maybe even the best since Teddy Roosevelt. I honestly consider him to be one of those "more-than" Presidents. Ones who go on to be national cultural icons who have holidays dedicated for them.

So... that isn't too unbelievable for me.

[libertpaulian]

"They are the only pollster with a Trump approve above 50 - if you believe that then sure, believe the GCB is tied right now"

As someone born in 1994, Trump is easily the greatest President in my lifetime. I'd say he edges out every other President since Eisenhower as well. Maybe even the best since Teddy Roosevelt. I honestly consider him to be one of those "more-than" Presidents. Ones who go on to be national cultural icons who have holidays dedicated for them.

So... that isn't too unbelievable for me.

Yeah, he's so great every intellectual ranks him down.

[Brittain33]

@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

Thank you for the recommendation. Should I change my avatar to blue?

[I Can Now Die Happy]

"They are the only pollster with a Trump approve above 50 - if you believe that then sure, believe the GCB is tied right now"

As someone born in 1994, Trump is easily the greatest President in my lifetime. I'd say he edges out every other President since Eisenhower as well. Maybe even the best since Teddy Roosevelt. I honestly consider him to be one of those "more-than" Presidents. Ones who go on to be national cultural icons who have holidays dedicated for them.

So... that isn't too unbelievable for me.

Yeah, he's so great every intellectual ranks him down.

then those intellectuals are mistaken

Anyway, @Ontario Progressive: "The guy unironically thinks socialists should vote for the GOP "to stick it to the Democrats", even though Republicans constantly use their ideology as an insult and have the exact opposite priorities of socialists on both economic and social issues."

If the Republicans win on November 6, the Democratic Party will be encouraged to transform even further along the lines of Democratic Socialism. It's that simple.

 brittain33:I would appreciate it if you changed your avatar to blue. My ideas need as much encouragement as they can get.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

Nope.

[Beet]

"They are the only pollster with a Trump approve above 50 - if you believe that then sure, believe the GCB is tied right now"

As someone born in 1994, Trump is easily the greatest President in my lifetime. I'd say he edges out every other President since Eisenhower as well. Maybe even the best since Teddy Roosevelt. I honestly consider him to be one of those "more-than" Presidents. Ones who go on to be national cultural icons who have holidays dedicated for them.

So... that isn't too unbelievable for me.

Yeah, he's so great every intellectual ranks him down.

then those intellectuals are mistaken

Anyway, @Ontario Progressive: "The guy unironically thinks socialists should vote for the GOP "to stick it to the Democrats", even though Republicans constantly use their ideology as an insult and have the exact opposite priorities of socialists on both economic and social issues."

If the Republicans win on November 6, the Democratic Party will be encouraged to transform even further along the lines of Democratic Socialism. It's that simple.

 brittain33:I would appreciate it if you changed your avatar to blue. My ideas need as much encouragement as they can get.

Is this why you're supporting Republicans? Regardless of what direction the Democratic party goes in the future, more Republican incumbents in office will mean more right-wing economic policy preferences and fewer legislators to pass left-wing economic policies. A centrist Democrat could be persuaded to vote for Medicare for All in the name of party discipline, no way a Republican could.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

Rasmussen is really sticking its neck out.  My recollectionection is it was pretty good in 2010 and 2014.  It pegged the national vote in 2016.  They were a littlee too optimistic for Romney in 2012, but not excessively so.

Right now they are excessively optimistic for the GOP compared to other pollsters.  Are they far out in the outfield.  I hope they are right.  Would they risk their reputation?

The New York Times / Siena College Polls do not seem to support D+10 generics.  Neither doe the recent Gallup poll finding a historic GOP high of 44% affiliation.

Oh well in less than 4 weeks I guess we will either have a repeat of national 2016 or Virginia 2017.  Or will the House be 2017 and the Senate be 2016.

I think Virginia 2017 was a special case where the undecideds broke for Northam because they were either going to go for Northam anyway or Gillespie was just a mediocre campaigner.

I suspect the vast majority of undecideds this year will break for the GOP. There has been so much Blue Wave promotion among the left that those who are voting Democratic have already decided, any they aren't exactly shy about telling that to pollsters, whereas GOP voters might be.

@BRTD: Pretty please?

[Former Dean Phillips Supporters for Haley (I guess???!?) 👁️]

@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

You should take me off your list, I have already voted. If your campaign doesn't remove people who have already voted from your lists, that is pretty incompetent and is an indication that you will probably lose.

[Person Man]

@xingkerui: hey....you never know. Sometimes races can be decided by the slightest of margins. Sometimes the outcomes of those races lead to significant effects later on. If Conor Lamb beats Pat Toomey in 2022, I don't think that would have happened if Saccone did his job properly back in March.

So for the good of the country (and the entire world as a result) I have to encourage everyone on this board to vote Republican. It doesn't matter what your race, religion, age, gender, etc are. It doesn't even matter what your political ideology is. I think you have a strong case to vote GOP on November 6 even if you are a socialist, because you know the Democratic Party is too in love with corporate money to adopt your ideas anyway, so you're better off punishing them for it.

Vote Republican on every election on November 6.

You should take me off your list, I have already voted. If your campaign doesn't remove people who have already voted from your lists, that is pretty incompetent and is an indication that you will probably lose.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

"They are the only pollster with a Trump approve above 50 - if you believe that then sure, believe the GCB is tied right now"

As someone born in 1994, Trump is easily the greatest President in my lifetime. I'd say he edges out every other President since Eisenhower as well. Maybe even the best since Teddy Roosevelt. I honestly consider him to be one of those "more-than" Presidents. Ones who go on to be national cultural icons who have holidays dedicated for them.

So... that isn't too unbelievable for me.

Yeah, he's so great every intellectual ranks him down.

then those intellectuals are mistaken

Anyway, @Ontario Progressive: "The guy unironically thinks socialists should vote for the GOP "to stick it to the Democrats", even though Republicans constantly use their ideology as an insult and have the exact opposite priorities of socialists on both economic and social issues."

If the Republicans win on November 6, the Democratic Party will be encouraged to transform even further along the lines of Democratic Socialism. It's that simple.

 brittain33:I would appreciate it if you changed your avatar to blue. My ideas need as much encouragement as they can get.

100% sure you were the guy who kept saying for like a week over the summer the Dems were doomed b/c muh #WalkAway...and then disappeared around the time it came out that #WalkAway was invented by Russian internet trolls at their government’s behest.  Funny how you popped up again a month before the election to encourage folks to vote Republican

[Hindsight was 2020]

It’s not a good thing to be as detached from reality as a predicit poster NYC

[I Can Now Die Happy]

@jdb: You're confusing me with someone else. I first registered in the summer, but only started discussing the midterms recently. I do believe I get mixed up sometimes with that 'MillennialModerate' guy from Massachusetts.

@Hindsight is 2020: "It’s not a good thing to be as detached from reality as a predicit poster NYC"

Are you talking about the prediction/gambling site, PredictIt?

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

@jdb: You're confusing me with someone else. I first registered in the summer, but only started discussing the midterms recently. I do believe I get mixed up sometimes with that 'MillennialModerate' guy from Massachusetts.

Stop trying to make "#walkaway" happen people, please.

The #walkaway phenomenon is a real thing. Keep in mind that it's more of a slow but steady trickle over a span of many years, not a sudden jump since 2016. I started losing faith in the Democratic Party around 2012, but not as much for the American Left. Certain shifts in the American Left that started in 2014 was what killed it all, though I definitely wasn't going to embrace the Republicans at that time either, but I did consider myself libertarian-ish. Trump in 2016 and the left's behavior since then was what really put the nail in the coffin, but I'm not quite ready to be a full fledged Republican unless they stop being the party of Reagan (the mythologized version), George W. Bush, Rick Santorum, etc.

If you take a look at the #walkaway facebook group, you'll see varying stories from all sorts of people. Those people aren't necessarily going to vote for the Republicans on November 6, but they won't give the Democrats votes either. Arguably, you won't need them if turnout for the Democrats remains high and turnout for the Republicans has been mediocre as it has been for these past few special elections. That doesn't mean that people aren't abandoning the Democratic Party and the left, it just means that a greater portion of the people who vote in these elections are energized progressives and Democrats, while an even larger number of people who *might* have voted for the Republican stayed home for varying reasons. Sometimes the reason is as sad as simply not knowing that there was an election that day.

Anyway, I don't see what's so bad about critiquing one's parents and highlighting their conduct as indicative of the country's current polarized and vicious nature,  if they went so out of their way to slight your political career.

[I Can Now Die Happy]

I didn't "disappear" (got a life outside of this forum, after all) and #walkaway was never proven to be Russian lol. I also didn't say that the Democrats were necessarily 'doomed' because of it. They can still win due to high turnout combined with mediocre GOP turnout.

I stand behind every word I said in that post.

[Yank2133]

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What if all the losses are the progressive candidates and the "centrist" candidates win?

[Zaybay]

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What if all the losses are the progressive candidates and the "centrist" candidates win?

Bit too late, the candidates that have secured safe seats so far are all CPC members and even DSA members while the competitive seats are more of a grab-bag of New Dems, CPC and a couple Blue Dogs. If the house is a wash, in this incredibly false scenario, then there would still be a hard move left just because mostly New Democrats are retiring this year, and they are being replaced by the CPC.

[Oryxslayer]

I didn't "disappear" (got a life outside of this forum, after all) and #walkaway was never proven to be Russian lol. I also didn't say that the Democrats were necessarily 'doomed' because of it. They can still win due to high turnout combined with mediocre GOP turnout.

I stand behind every word I said in that post.

Here's a tip: 99% of the people on this board knew a year a go who they were voting for in both 2018 and 2020 - both sides. So if you just try and preach when we want to have 'informed' political discussion, you come off as a weird. Which is why many people, including myself wonder why you are doing it...

[2016]

If the Republicans win on November 6, the Democratic Party will be encouraged to transform even further along the lines of Democratic Socialism. It's that simple.

And that's excatly what Republicans want. By the time 2020 rolls along Democrats will have moved so far to the left that they nominate a Candidate which aligns themselves much more in line with Bernie Sanders like Harris, Gillibrand, Warren or Booker and that will be easy pickens for Trump cuz all 4 will be totally out of the Mainstream.

Look, Republicans for the last 3 POTUS Elections tried to nominate a Social Conservative. 2008 Huckabee, 2012 Santorum and 2016 Cruz. It didn't work because all 3 were unable to cobble together enough Votes from the Northeast & Midwest.

[fhtagn]

lmao @ the dude thinking NYC MM is a Russian troll

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Rasmussen is really sticking its neck out.  My recollectionection is it was pretty good in 2010 and 2014.  It pegged the national vote in 2016.  They were a littlee too optimistic for Romney in 2012, but not excessively so.

Right now they are excessively optimistic for the GOP compared to other pollsters.  Are they far out in the outfield.  I hope they are right.  Would they risk their reputation?

The New York Times / Siena College Polls do not seem to support D+10 generics.  Neither doe the recent Gallup poll finding a historic GOP high of 44% affiliation.

Oh well in less than 4 weeks I guess we will either have a repeat of national 2016 or Virginia 2017.  Or will the House be 2017 and the Senate be 2016.

I think Virginia 2017 was a special case where the undecideds broke for Northam because they were either going to go for Northam anyway or Gillespie was just a mediocre campaigner.

I suspect the vast majority of undecideds this year will break for the GOP. There has been so much Blue Wave promotion among the left that those who are voting Democratic have already decided, any they aren't exactly shy about telling that to pollsters, whereas GOP voters might be.

@BRTD: Pretty please?

In what way would voting Republican benefit me?

[Virginiá]

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The funny thing about this Russian-backed propaganda effort is that eventually it does morph into something that involves real Americans who may have actually divorced themselvse from the Democratic Party over the years (or Republicans/Independents pretending to be Democrats who #WalkedAway just because it's the internet and who cares), and the end result is you get these real people swearing that the #WalkAway movement is real, if for no other reason than that they know it's real because they themselves are real. The fact is, almost every election you get actual Republicans who become actual Democrats, and actual Democrats who become actual Republicans. There is nothing out of the ordinary about this. Political coalitions are constantly shifting. So there is always a #WalkAway movement in some form. The only difference here is that a bunch of people have gotten tricked into supporting a "movement" that was supposed to be out of the norm, but isn't.

The truth is that these people just got played by a foreign power. They'll likely never acknowledge this, though.