Does it make sense for the Democrats to triage Heitkamp? (ND-SEN)
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« on: October 03, 2018, 10:34:42 AM »

She hasn't led in a public poll since February, and even that was Gravis, which doesn't exactly have the best reputation on this forum. Also, the latest poll has her down by ten, and the RCP average is now Cramer +6. This seems insurmountable to me this close to the election.
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2018, 10:36:50 AM »

No. This is a likely tipping point race and still a winnable one.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2018, 10:42:02 AM »

No, North Dakota is key to winning the Senate and I still think that this race is close. Heitkamp is a strong campaigner and polling had her down in 2012. Still, I think she needs something, a gaffe, scandal, massive spending, etc, to move this race in her direction.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2018, 10:45:09 AM »

Remember that back in 2012, she was considered a slight underdog during the final week leading up to Election Day. We all know what the actual result was back then.

In addition, 538's fundamentals favor her, and there is still plenty of time for the polls to move in that direction.

Thus, it is way too early to write her off right now. I think it is possible to play defense here and be on the offense in places like Tennessee & Texas simultaneously.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2018, 10:45:33 AM »

No. She could be down 20 points and it’d be silly to triage her since it’s so cheap.

Precisely. It is cheaper to compete in ND-SEN than it is to compete in most house races.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2018, 10:46:57 AM »

She hasn't led in a public poll since February, and even that was Gravis, which doesn't exactly have the best reputation on this forum. Also, the latest poll has her down by ten, and the RCP average is now Cramer +6. This seems insurmountable to me this close to the election.

I don't get why people keep using this argument. If there were 10 polls this summer, then sure "she hasn't led a single poll" has weight. But there has literally been, what, 3 polls of this race all *year*?
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2018, 11:16:51 AM »

This thread is peak concern trolling. Well done.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2018, 11:19:41 AM »

She hasn't led in a public poll since February, and even that was Gravis, which doesn't exactly have the best reputation on this forum. Also, the latest poll has her down by ten, and the RCP average is now Cramer +6. This seems insurmountable to me this close to the election.

I don't get why people keep using this argument. If there were 10 polls this summer, then sure "she hasn't led a single poll" has weight. But there has literally been, what, 3 polls of this race all *year*?

Not to mention it's difficult to poll North Dakota since they have laws about how polls can be conducted, such as banning ADAD calls
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2018, 11:21:37 AM »

She hasn't led in a public poll since February, and even that was Gravis, which doesn't exactly have the best reputation on this forum. Also, the latest poll has her down by ten, and the RCP average is now Cramer +6. This seems insurmountable to me this close to the election.

I don't get why people keep using this argument. If there were 10 polls this summer, then sure "she hasn't led a single poll" has weight. But there has literally been, what, 3 polls of this race all *year*?

Not to mention it's difficult to poll North Dakota since they have laws about how polls can be conducted, such as banning ADAD calls

They dont even have voter registration, in any form, which is one of the multitude of reasons polling is so bad in ND.

This will be a race decided on election night, there is little point in debating otherwise.
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2018, 11:30:46 AM »

Considering how little it costs and how critical ND is to gaining control of the Senate, it makes zero sense for Democrats to triage this race.
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2018, 12:15:44 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2018, 12:21:16 PM »

My friend says absolutely not, I want them to waste more money on ND.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2018, 12:49:44 PM »

No
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2018, 12:52:58 PM »

Of course not. It's next to impossible to poll the state since they don't have voter registration (and therefore no voter file) and its such a small population that modest spending can move the needle.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2018, 12:55:49 PM »

Say it with me:

ND POLLS ARE JUNK
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2018, 01:59:31 PM »

No. Low-cost TV market, possible gains from the farm and ranch vote for D's due to the tariffs (TAX INCREASE) and trade war (FALLING COMMODITY PRICES) to which anyone connected to Trump will get bad consequences.  It's a high-reward, winnable, low-cost gamble.

In a normal year she would be the Blanche Lincoln of 2018. But this looks like a bad year for Republicans. She probably goes down in flames in 2024.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2018, 02:11:16 PM »

That's absurd.  They should triage Menendez before Heitkamp given the costs involve.

Unless Heitkamp votes for Kavanaugh.  In which case, yes.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2018, 03:13:00 PM »

Democrats shouldn't be triaging anyone, given how flush with cash everyone appears to be at the moment
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2018, 07:59:05 PM »

No. Keeping Democratic numbers in the Senate is too important.
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 08:01:08 PM »

Democrats shouldn't be triaging anyone, given how flush with cash everyone appears to be at the moment
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 08:02:11 PM »

Democrats shouldn't be triaging anyone, given how flush with cash everyone appears to be at the moment
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