S-18.3-16: Southern Tax Relief Act (Statute)

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

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Sponsor: Thumb21

[thumb21]

I introduced this bill to help improve the lives of the working poor of the South. The current federal income tax rates for low income people (10% for under $13k, 15% for over $13k) are extortionate. While the South doesn't have the authority to lower these taxes, we do have the authority and the means to compensate our citizens. I have also requested a cost estimate from the GM including with the possibility of amending the bill to include people earning up to £25,000.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Quick amendment... change $12,999 to $12,999.99 to make sure everyone is covered.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I'll reserve my judgement until we get the aforementioned estimate from the GM.

[thumb21]

Quick amendment... change $12,999 to $12,999.99 to make sure everyone is covered.

Sure.

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[Filinovich]

I've just noticed what I would consider to be an issue with this bill. A person making exactly $12,999.99 would be highly discouraged from earning an extra cent a year. Their federal income taxes would go from $0 to $650 (Assuming my math is correct). Granted, this isn't a radical change (about $12 a week), but it is an issue. I'm not sure how it would be solved or if it is possible to solve. Perhaps a more gradual shift from full to half reclaim would be possible.

In any event, I still think this bill would have a positive effect and I don't intend to vote against purely because a statistically insignificant group would be discouraged from picking up a penny off the ground.

I patiently await the estimate from the GM.

[thumb21]

I've just noticed what I would consider to be an issue with this bill. A person making exactly $12,999.99 would be highly discouraged from earning an extra cent a year. Their federal income taxes would go from $0 to $650 (Assuming my math is correct). Granted, this isn't a radical change (about $12 a week), but it is an issue. I'm not sure how it would be solved or if it is possible to solve. Perhaps a more gradual shift from full to half reclaim would be possible.

In any event, I still think this bill would have a positive effect and I don't intend to vote against purely because a statistically insignificant group would be discouraged from picking up a penny off the ground.

I patiently await the estimate from the GM.

Its a fair point to bring up and an issue with tax brackets in general. If there is a way to better do it, I'd be happy to support it.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Is there anything left to debate in regards to this legislation?

[thumb21]

Is there anything left to debate in regards to this legislation?

Yeah. We are waiting for cost estimates from the GM.

[CatoMinor]

While I am in favor of people getting their money back, it rubs me odd that we are paying people for what the Feds are stealing.

[thumb21]

While I am in favor of people getting their money back, it rubs me odd that we are paying people for what the Feds are stealing.

I agree with you that this is far from ideal. However, the Federal Government has a $800-900 billion deficit so it is unlikely that they will be doing anything like this any time soon so I think that this is the best we can do for the Southern people in the meantime.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

So are we going to get the GM estimate on this?

[thumb21]

So are we going to get the GM estimate on this?

I asked for the estimate a couple of weeks ago, I don't know where they are on it.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I motion for a vote to table this legislation.

[Filinovich]

I motion for a vote to table this legislation.

What? Why?

[thumb21]

I object. We are still waiting for the estimates from the GM on this. I have followed up and hope we'll get them soon.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The objection is noted. The motion fails.

[tmthforu94]

I object. We are still waiting for the estimates from the GM on this. I have followed up and hope we'll get them soon.

Have you gotten any response from the GM office?

[thumb21]

I object. We are still waiting for the estimates from the GM on this. I have followed up and hope we'll get them soon.

Have you gotten any response from the GM office?

Nothing

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

If the GM office is not going to provide an estimate, I do not see how we can even consider this legislation.

[tmthforu94]

GM office, do you have a timeframe of when the South will get a report on the Southern Tax Relief Act?

Link to bill: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=301415.0

Stay tuned!!

[Filinovich]

If the GM office is not going to provide an estimate, I do not see how we can even consider this legislation.

Patience is a virtue.

[Attorney General, Senator-Elect, & Former PPT Dwarven Dragon]

I motion for a vote to table this legislation as the GM is refusing to give us an estimate.

[Filinovich]

I motion for a vote to table this legislation as the GM is refusing to give us an estimate.

I object to the motion to table.

[thumb21]

I'm gonna do my own research on how much this costs because otherwise this will be a waste. If anyone wants to help or oversee, that would be good. It should be transparent.

Object to the motion.