S-18.3-16: Southern Tax Relief Act (Statute)
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Southern Delegate Punxsutawney Phil
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« on: September 13, 2018, 01:26:40 PM »
« edited: October 26, 2018, 05:42:39 PM by Southern Speaker Punxsutawney Phil »

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2018, 03:33:31 PM »
« Edited: September 13, 2018, 03:51:40 PM by Delegate Thumb21 »

I introduced this bill to help improve the lives of the working poor of the South. The current federal income tax rates for low income people (10% for under $13k, 15% for over $13k) are extortionate. While the South doesn't have the authority to lower these taxes, we do have the authority and the means to compensate our citizens. I have also requested a cost estimate from the GM including with the possibility of amending the bill to include people earning up to 25,000.
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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2018, 03:49:20 PM »

Quick amendment... change $12,999 to $12,999.99 to make sure everyone is covered.
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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2018, 03:52:33 PM »

I'll reserve my judgement until we get the aforementioned estimate from the GM.
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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2018, 04:30:25 PM »

Quick amendment... change $12,999 to $12,999.99 to make sure everyone is covered.

Sure.

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« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2018, 04:54:29 PM »

I've just noticed what I would consider to be an issue with this bill. A person making exactly $12,999.99 would be highly discouraged from earning an extra cent a year. Their federal income taxes would go from $0 to $650 (Assuming my math is correct). Granted, this isn't a radical change (about $12 a week), but it is an issue. I'm not sure how it would be solved or if it is possible to solve. Perhaps a more gradual shift from full to half reclaim would be possible.

In any event, I still think this bill would have a positive effect and I don't intend to vote against purely because a statistically insignificant group would be discouraged from picking up a penny off the ground.

I patiently await the estimate from the GM.
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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2018, 05:02:58 PM »

I've just noticed what I would consider to be an issue with this bill. A person making exactly $12,999.99 would be highly discouraged from earning an extra cent a year. Their federal income taxes would go from $0 to $650 (Assuming my math is correct). Granted, this isn't a radical change (about $12 a week), but it is an issue. I'm not sure how it would be solved or if it is possible to solve. Perhaps a more gradual shift from full to half reclaim would be possible.

In any event, I still think this bill would have a positive effect and I don't intend to vote against purely because a statistically insignificant group would be discouraged from picking up a penny off the ground.

I patiently await the estimate from the GM.

Its a fair point to bring up and an issue with tax brackets in general. If there is a way to better do it, I'd be happy to support it.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2018, 03:05:23 AM »

Is there anything left to debate in regards to this legislation?
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2018, 06:46:27 AM »

Is there anything left to debate in regards to this legislation?

Yeah. We are waiting for cost estimates from the GM.
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« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2018, 09:03:59 PM »

While I am in favor of people getting their money back, it rubs me odd that we are paying people for what the Feds are stealing.
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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2018, 03:21:03 PM »

While I am in favor of people getting their money back, it rubs me odd that we are paying people for what the Feds are stealing.

I agree with you that this is far from ideal. However, the Federal Government has a $800-900 billion deficit so it is unlikely that they will be doing anything like this any time soon so I think that this is the best we can do for the Southern people in the meantime.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2018, 01:23:48 PM »

So are we going to get the GM estimate on this?
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2018, 04:45:54 PM »


I asked for the estimate a couple of weeks ago, I don't know where they are on it.
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« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2018, 10:18:56 PM »

I motion for a vote to table this legislation.
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2018, 05:36:59 AM »

What? Why?
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« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2018, 10:47:54 AM »

I object. We are still waiting for the estimates from the GM on this. I have followed up and hope we'll get them soon.
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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2018, 03:26:34 PM »

The objection is noted. The motion fails.
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2018, 01:06:22 PM »

I object. We are still waiting for the estimates from the GM on this. I have followed up and hope we'll get them soon.
Have you gotten any response from the GM office?
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2018, 04:54:06 PM »

I object. We are still waiting for the estimates from the GM on this. I have followed up and hope we'll get them soon.
Have you gotten any response from the GM office?

Nothing
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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2018, 10:38:29 PM »

If the GM office is not going to provide an estimate, I do not see how we can even consider this legislation.
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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2018, 11:51:22 AM »

GM office, do you have a timeframe of when the South will get a report on the Southern Tax Relief Act?

Link to bill: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=301415.0

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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2018, 12:15:02 PM »

If the GM office is not going to provide an estimate, I do not see how we can even consider this legislation.
Patience is a virtue.
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2018, 07:06:00 PM »

I motion for a vote to table this legislation as the GM is refusing to give us an estimate.
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2018, 02:19:56 PM »

I motion for a vote to table this legislation as the GM is refusing to give us an estimate.
I object to the motion to table.
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2018, 02:31:10 PM »

I'm gonna do my own research on how much this costs because otherwise this will be a waste. If anyone wants to help or oversee, that would be good. It should be transparent.

Object to the motion.
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