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« on: January 03, 2004, 11:34:33 PM »

As I look over those running for president in the Republican Party, my former party, I don't see potential.  I don't see greatness or vision.  What I see would not appeal to the average voter, nor would it have the ability to lead our great nation in a very critical time - a time of war and terrorism; a time in great need of great leadership.

When I look to the Democrats, I see something better.  I see vision and hope and the kind of great leadership this country needs.

Now that I've seen the two parties and have come to the conclusion that one is better than the other, I must examine those running for the Democratic nomination and make a choice as to which one of them is most qualified to lead our country.  After looking at the candidates and their stances on the issues, I have come to a decision.

I'm here to endorse Chrisopher Michael to be the next president of the United States of America and I intend to offer my full support to him.  It is clear that he is the only candidate able to restore honor to the White House, and we need him.  I plan on voting for him in the Democratic primary, and making sure he is our next president.

Thank you, and God bless.
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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2004, 11:37:40 PM »

As I look over those running for president in the Republican Party, my former party, I don't see potential.  I don't see greatness or vision.  What I see would not appeal to the average voter, nor would it have the ability to lead our great nation in a very critical time - a time of war and terrorism; a time in great need of great leadership.

When I look to the Democrats, I see something better.  I see vision and hope and the kind of great leadership this country needs.

Now that I've seen the two parties and have come to the conclusion that one is better than the other, I must examine those running for the Democratic nomination and make a choice as to which one of them is most qualified to lead our country.  After looking at the candidates and their stances on the issues, I have come to a decision.

I'm here to endorse Chrisopher Michael to be the next president of the United States of America and I intend to offer my full support to him.  It is clear that he is the only candidate able to restore honor to the White House, and we need him.  I plan on voting for him in the Democratic primary, and making sure he is our next president.

Thank you, and God bless.

But you officially switched parties.  That really extreme.  We are getting there GWBFan.  We just need to get things running.  To tell you the truth, is was thinking about making you my running mate if I got the nomination and I am being serious about that.
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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2004, 11:44:03 PM »

I also am here to endorse Christopher Michael (CM) for the Atlas Presidency.  I look at the other candidates, and I see less.  I see liberal leadership in Nym90, but I don't see electability.  And in Migrendel, I see hope, but not leadership.  But in Christopher Michael, I see leadership and centrism.

This decision has not been an easy one.  I have looked over my options, committed to multiple sides, and thought this over carefully.  I had been facing endorsements from other members, and there was a spurt of a "Draft Miami" movement.  But I saw victory in CM.  I saw hope.  I saw leadership.  And I saw a bright future.

And as his running mate, I see the logical choice as GWBFan.  although we differ on some issues, such as abortion and the current presidency of this nation, I see potential in GWBFan.  And Is ee him as the right man for the job.

I have moved to CM in this election.  As AFDNC chairman, I see him as my future president.  And I hope those who endorsed me follow.

Good night, and Bless this forum and bless the world, fir this is a great night for both.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2004, 12:05:15 AM »

I will continue my bid, and support the candidate of my party. If the person does not commit to liberal principle, I will be forced to run as an independent Socialist candidate. However, we will win. We are the choice of liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, and many in between. We have many viewpoints, and we can find the balanced solution between the extremities. While we may not be in concurrence on abortion, there is so much we agree about. We all support a fair economy that helps the disadvantaged. We all support the proposition that all free citizens are equal before the law. We all endorse a clean and healthy environment. I have much to say tonight, but I will leave you with my great expectation for a bright future, and the words of St. Francis of Assissi "Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring fath, and where there is despair, may we bring hope." Thank you all for reading, and it's on to victory.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2004, 02:34:41 AM »

I am also distressed that my party would consider nominating 2 conservatives as our nominees for president and vice president. I would hope that if Christopher Michael is our nominee, we would at least balance out the ticket by choosing a more liberal running mate. We can't win by being Republican lite...yes, extremism is unelectable, but you need to excite the base as well. Both Christopher Michael and GWBfan have some very conservative views on some issues which I feel make them unworthy of the Democratic nomination.
That's just my $0.02 though...
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2004, 03:41:38 AM »

I am also distressed that my party would consider nominating 2 conservatives as our nominees for president and vice president. I would hope that if Christopher Michael is our nominee, we would at least balance out the ticket by choosing a more liberal running mate. We can't win by being Republican lite...yes, extremism is unelectable, but you need to excite the base as well. Both Christopher Michael and GWBfan have some very conservative views on some issues which I feel make them unworthy of the Democratic nomination.
That's just my $0.02 though...
I'll take that  0.02$ and be sure to give you an Egg Roll  at my victory celebration.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2004, 03:55:17 AM »

DEMFIGHT!  Someone pass the popcorn!
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2004, 04:19:08 AM »

DEMFIGHT!  Someone pass the popcorn!
Come to the Inaguaral Ball, and I will be sure you get a big bowl of popcorn. Do you like it buttered? or Seasoned any way in particular?
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2004, 06:02:26 AM »

OK, I'm coming out there with my endorsement, since there seems like no new candidates are gonna come around.

This has not been an easy decision. But when I look at our (well, your) country today, I, alas, do not see leadership. Atlas Forum needs to rise above petty stuff and focus on the important things....(continuous boring speech)

For insiders, here are the real reasons (since there are only insiders here, I skipped the rest of the official speech, it wasn't looking good anyway... Smiley ): Migrendel lacks electability and is also way too the left on me. CM might prompt a revolution within the liberal base, and is also pretty much my opposite politically since we are centrist for different reasons. Nym90, I believe, is closest to me on issues, and electable enough. I will endorse him, but, with reservations for not yet knowing the GOP-candidate or independents, will rally behind the Dem nominee. (I do hope I will get to vote, haven't had time to check that yet!)
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2004, 10:45:22 AM »

OK, I'm coming out there with my endorsement, since there seems like no new candidates are gonna come around.

This has not been an easy decision. But when I look at our (well, your) country today, I, alas, do not see leadership. Atlas Forum needs to rise above petty stuff and focus on the important things....(continuous boring speech)

For insiders, here are the real reasons (since there are only insiders here, I skipped the rest of the official speech, it wasn't looking good anyway... Smiley ): Migrendel lacks electability and is also way too the left on me. CM might prompt a revolution within the liberal base, and is also pretty much my opposite politically since we are centrist for different reasons. Nym90, I believe, is closest to me on issues, and electable enough. I will endorse him, but, with reservations for not yet knowing the GOP-candidate or independents, will rally behind the Dem nominee. (I do hope I will get to vote, haven't had time to check that yet!)

Sure, endorse a candidate who can't win in the general election.  If you're a Democrat, and you don't want a Republican as your president for the next four years, the only candidate who can actually win is Christopher Michael.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2004, 11:04:21 AM »

In the light of what seems to be a Republican ploy to take over the Democratic party, I have decided to endorse Nym90.

Even though Christopher Michael holds more mainstream appeal, I'm worried that choosing a Republican, GWBfan, as his running mate would tear the party in two.

I'm also rather uncomfortable about GWBfan's campaign slogan, "Liberals suck, Bush and Cheney rule OK".

That said, I would support whoever wins the nomination, and I urge everyone to do the same.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2004, 11:08:07 AM »

Thanks, Michael. Friends, I believe I am the mainstream choice of Democrats everywhere who want to stand up for our moral values and not become Republican-lite. I am the only candidate who has the courage, vision, and principles to unite our party, turn out the base, and yet still appeal to moderate swing voters.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2004, 11:30:30 AM »

In the light of what seems to be a Republican ploy to take over the Democratic party, I have decided to endorse Nym90.

Even though Christopher Michael holds more mainstream appeal, I'm worried that choosing a Republican, GWBfan, as his running mate would tear the party in two.

I'm also rather uncomfortable about GWBfan's campaign slogan, "Liberals suck, Bush and Cheney rule OK".

That said, I would support whoever wins the nomination, and I urge everyone to do the same.

I am not a Republican.  I don't believe Bush and Cheney are okay.  I respect George Bush as a fellow Christian; I don't respect him as president.

It is madness not to vote for Christopher Michael because of me.  Christopher Michael is the only candidate who can win.  If he is not on the ticket, we'll be handing the election over to the Republicans.
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2004, 11:41:16 AM »

In the light of what seems to be a Republican ploy to take over the Democratic party, I have decided to endorse Nym90.

Even though Christopher Michael holds more mainstream appeal, I'm worried that choosing a Republican, GWBfan, as his running mate would tear the party in two.

I'm also rather uncomfortable about GWBfan's campaign slogan, "Liberals suck, Bush and Cheney rule OK".

That said, I would support whoever wins the nomination, and I urge everyone to do the same.

I am not a Republican.  I don't believe Bush and Cheney are okay.  I respect George Bush as a fellow Christian; I don't respect him as president.

It is madness not to vote for Christopher Michael because of me.  Christopher Michael is the only candidate who can win.  If he is not on the ticket, we'll be handing the election over to the Republicans.

You used to be a Republican . . .
When you had the Blue Georgia avatar, you weren't a Republican?
You're a George W. Bush fan but you don't think he's OK?
I believe that Nym90 has a much better shot, running as a mainstream Dem.  This way, he won't alienate anyone on the left or right.  If the Dems unite behind a candidate, we will win.
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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2004, 11:42:31 AM »

GWBFan has changed; he is no longer you traditional conservative.  Both of these candidates are centrists; please, hop in the boat with us.  It will be a fun and glorius victory ride.

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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2004, 11:43:55 AM »

In the light of what seems to be a Republican ploy to take over the Democratic party, I have decided to endorse Nym90.

Even though Christopher Michael holds more mainstream appeal, I'm worried that choosing a Republican, GWBfan, as his running mate would tear the party in two.

I'm also rather uncomfortable about GWBfan's campaign slogan, "Liberals suck, Bush and Cheney rule OK".

That said, I would support whoever wins the nomination, and I urge everyone to do the same.

I am not a Republican.  I don't believe Bush and Cheney are okay.  I respect George Bush as a fellow Christian; I don't respect him as president.

It is madness not to vote for Christopher Michael because of me.  Christopher Michael is the only candidate who can win.  If he is not on the ticket, we'll be handing the election over to the Republicans.

You used to be a Republican . . .
When you had the Blue Georgia avatar, you weren't a Republican?
You're a George W. Bush fan but you don't think he's OK?
I believe that Nym90 has a much better shot, running as a mainstream Dem.  This way, he won't alienate anyone on the left or right.  If the Dems unite behind a candidate, we will win.

I disagree.  If you're so far out of the mainstream as Christopher Michael's oppenents are, you can't win the general election.  If a Democrat who is not in the mainstream of America wins the nomination, we'll be handing this election over to the Republicans.
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2004, 11:46:55 AM »


Wow, calm down.

To contradict you, I'm a Republican who did not vote for the Howard Dean option.  But whether you're Democrat or Republican, you have to admit that it's astonishing a Dennis Kucinich-type candidate could have risen so much, so easily as Howard Dean did.  That's just how it is, with no bias towards one political party or the other; it was indeed very surprising.

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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2004, 11:51:25 AM »


Wow, calm down.

To contradict you, I'm a Republican who did not vote for the Howard Dean option.  But whether you're Democrat or Republican, you have to admit that it's astonishing a Dennis Kucinich-type candidate could have risen so much, so easily as Howard Dean did.  That's just how it is, with no bias towards one political party or the other; it was indeed very surprising.

Key word: Republican
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If you believe i've altered it, you can check it for yourself.

The above quote was taken from me when I was a Republican.  There are a whole slew of quotes you can find of me when I was a Republican, none of which matter now.  Let's talk about issues.
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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2004, 12:14:33 PM »


Wow, calm down.

To contradict you, I'm a Republican who did not vote for the Howard Dean option.  But whether you're Democrat or Republican, you have to admit that it's astonishing a Dennis Kucinich-type candidate could have risen so much, so easily as Howard Dean did.  That's just how it is, with no bias towards one political party or the other; it was indeed very surprising.

Key word: Republican
Quoted in Biggest Shocker 2003 in the 2004 Forum.
If you believe i've altered it, you can check it for yourself.

The above quote was taken from me when I was a Republican.  There are a whole slew of quotes you can find of me when I was a Republican, none of which matter now.  Let's talk about issues.
OK, I can accept that.  We surely can talk issues now.
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« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2004, 01:04:26 PM »

OK, this is just for fun, so, please, I don't want any of the frontrunners to get offended, OK?

I tried to imagine what our runners would be like in real life...

There are three major contenders for the Democratic nomination.

Mr. Migrendel's political campaign started out recently, as he ran for congress in his home state of Massachussets. The out-spoken socialist and homosexual, schocked both his own party and the GOP when he, due to a combination of personal charisma and dedicated supporters, managed to win. As he ran for reelection a concerted GOP campaign to oust him, using dirty campaigning accusing him of being an extremist, and running a moderate Republican, came to nothing as he got reelcted in a landslide. With no senate or governor race comingup in his state, and worried about the prospects of a conseravtive Democrat winning the nomination, he decided, urged on by his vast grass-root support, to run for president.

Mr. Cristopher Michael is a more experienced democrat, who caused much controversy, when he, after barely surviving a primary where the left attacked him vigourously, he won the senatorial election in his home state of Michigan. After winning reelection with low turnout and disgruntled party activists, he decided that the time had come to fullfill his old dream; he was going to run for president. Since his senatorial seat was not in play until the next mid-term, he might as well run and get some name-recognition and support from the party faithful.

This might however be hard, considering the fact that another prominent Michigan Democrat is also running. The state's other senator, Mr. Nym90, is a more mainstream Democrat who is well into his third term in office. Worried about the party's future, with the prospect of chosing between controversial candidates, he decided to enter the race to keep the party together. He seems to have more support than his senatorial colleuge in their home state, but Cristopher Michael is expected to make up for this with his support in more conservative states.  

What do you think?
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« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2004, 01:18:17 PM »

I'd say that fits me pretty well.
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2004, 01:44:04 PM »

I agree with Gustaf's analysis of Nym90 and Myself. You are right that I can get some swing votes from the GOP because I am the Candidate of  'Middle Ground.' Come on over and show your support for a pro-labor, yet-business friendly candidacy. In order to ensure that business/corporations remain very profitable despite gains that Labor must make to ensure the welfare of the American Family, I will ask Congress to lift some of the most burdensome regulations that big business/corporations are bound by. I will strengthen small business by asking Congress to give them special 'tax' incentives to invest, and ease their employees burdens as well. How will I do the latter? Right now, waitresses/waiters get far below minimum because of their 'TIP' potential. But I all too well know that most of the time, the 'TIPS' just don't add up, and most restaurants require 'TIP' splitting/sharing. I would ask the Congress to outlaw that practice, and/or [being Centrist] ask for service employees that are allowed to accept 'TIPS' [SOME RESTAURANTS EVEN DISCOURAGE TIPPING] be also paid Minimum Wage. Tax incentives would appease any hardship incurred on these restaurants/service oriented businesses.
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2004, 02:01:04 PM »

Although I am a newbie, and my endorsement may not mean much, I would like to support NYM90 for the Democratic nomination.

I would rather lose a general election than sell out the principles of liberal values that the Dems truly stand for.  Better to lose a fight than to lose your self if you ask me.

The Democrats cannot always race to center every time there is trouble.  America doesn't need two Republican parties.  Diet REpublicans are still Republicans
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« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2004, 02:13:41 PM »

CNN live from Minneapolis with Swedish-born Gustaf Lundrgen, a former senior adviser to the Clinton administration, who has agreed to give CNN a short analysis of the candidates...

THE INSIDE VIEW...

Reporter: Mr. Lundgren, many have viewed the Michigan Senator, Cristopher Michael as the strongest candidate in the field, would you care to comment?

ME: He certainly has many strengths, notably the endorsement of the Democratic chairman. He offers an interesting centrist position, with a former Republican as his initial running mate, and he might win back the south for the Democrats. The combination of firm moral principles and genuine compassion for the poor helps create the image of a "compassionate conservative" that rings true.

Reporter: But are there no draw-backs?

ME: His critics point out that his results in Michigan are not that impressive, considering the fact that it is viewed as a firmly Democratic state. However, the senator's real voters are in more conservative states, and that fact that his conservatism has managed to win in Michigan is actually promising. No, the main worry is rather that he represents, what some people like to call the "Republican wing of the Democratic party" and that the disgruntled left may run an independent candidate. That could hurt his candidacy some, but the Democratic party even more.

Reporter: well, thank you, Mr. Lundgren, after the commercial we will be back with comments on the other runners in the Democratic primary, so stay tuned.
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« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2004, 02:26:23 PM »

CNN live from Minneapolis with Swedish-born Gustaf Lundrgen, a former senior adviser to the Clinton administration, who has agreed to give CNN a short analysis of the candidates...

THE INSIDE VIEW...

Reporter: Mr. Lundgren, many have viewed the Michigan Senator, Cristopher Michael as the strongest candidate in the field, would you care to comment?

ME: He certainly has many strengths, notably the endorsement of the Democratic chairman. He offers an interesting centrist position, with a former Republican as his initial running mate, and he might win back the south for the Democrats. The combination of firm moral principles and genuine compassion for the poor helps create the image of a "compassionate conservative" that rings true.

Reporter: But are there no draw-backs?

ME: His critics point out that his results in Michigan are not that impressive, considering the fact that it is viewed as a firmly Democratic state. However, the senator's real voters are in more conservative states, and that fact that his conservatism has managed to win in Michigan is actually promising. No, the main worry is rather that he represents, what some people like to call the "Republican wing of the Democratic party" and that the disgruntled left may run an independent candidate. That could hurt his candidacy some, but the Democratic party even more.

Reporter: well, thank you, Mr. Lundgren, after the commercial we will be back with comments on the other runners in the Democratic primary, so stay tuned.

GWBFan, in response to Gustaf's interview, as quoted leaving the CNN building....

GWBFan:  Beware the "Republican wing of the Democratic Party."  They might bite if mistreated.
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