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« on: August 12, 2018, 02:53:37 PM »

The 2009-2011 GOP opposition to Democratic President Barack Obama was intense, and it led to the GOP gaining control of the U.S. House of Representatives and gaining governor and state legislative seats across the country.

Will the future 2021? or 2025? GOP opposition to a future Democratic President be as intense as it was in 2009-2011?
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2018, 02:59:57 PM »

The last time I would say the opposition party didn't intensely oppose the President was Reagan and before that was Eisenhower. In both cases, there was a unique reason for that


for Eisenhower, it was that he was a popular War Hero

For Reagan it was that large parts of the Democratic Caucus in the House and the Senate were Republican Lite.


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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2018, 03:08:50 PM »

The last time I would say the opposition party didn't intensely oppose the President was Reagan and before that was Eisenhower. In both cases, there was a unique reason for that


for Eisenhower, it was that he was a popular War Hero

For Reagan it was that large parts of the Democratic Caucus in the House and the Senate were Republican Lite.

The idea that there was intense opposition from congressional Democrats to Dubya in the couple of years after 9/11 is seriously laughable. A majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2018, 03:25:07 PM »

The last time I would say the opposition party didn't intensely oppose the President was Reagan and before that was Eisenhower. In both cases, there was a unique reason for that


for Eisenhower, it was that he was a popular War Hero

For Reagan it was that large parts of the Democratic Caucus in the House and the Senate were Republican Lite.

The idea that there was intense opposition from congressional Democrats to Dubya in the couple of years after 9/11 is seriously laughable. A majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war.

So 2/8 years they didnt intensely oppose him but the other 6 (especially the last 4 and a half) the amount the Left opposed Bush was as intense as you can get.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2018, 03:25:48 PM »

Not if it's a white guy.
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2018, 03:27:42 PM »

Depends on who the president is.

I think Kamala Harris would face the most opposition from Republicans. Simply because she's a black woman.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2018, 03:28:35 PM »

Depends on who the president is.

I think Kamala Harris would face the most opposition from Republicans. Simply because she's a black woman.

From Congressional Republicans I would guess it would be Bernie Sanders
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2018, 03:30:04 PM »


I would disagree with that if Sanders is the White guy elected.
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2018, 03:33:26 PM »


Who was the most recent president to be impeached?
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2018, 03:59:40 PM »

The last time I would say the opposition party didn't intensely oppose the President was Reagan and before that was Eisenhower. In both cases, there was a unique reason for that


for Eisenhower, it was that he was a popular War Hero

For Reagan it was that large parts of the Democratic Caucus in the House and the Senate were Republican Lite.

The idea that there was intense opposition from congressional Democrats to Dubya in the couple of years after 9/11 is seriously laughable. A majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war.

So 2/8 years they didnt intensely oppose him but the other 6 (especially the last 4 and a half) the amount the Left opposed Bush was as intense as you can get.

They voted for his war.

They voted for his Medicare plan.

They voted for his tax cuts.

They voted for his education plan.

Bush got literally everything he ever asked for during his presidency, except for immigration reform - and in that case, it was his own party refusing to cooperate.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2018, 05:01:01 PM »


Who was the most recent president to be impeached?
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2018, 05:11:29 PM »

The GOP in 2009 didn't attempt to nullify the prior election. Unlike the losing party of the 2016 elections. I suspect the new precedent and rules will be carried forward.
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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2018, 06:01:49 PM »

Yes. Regardless of who the next Democratic President is, four years of Trump will have caused a  rift in this country that can't be mended.
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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2018, 06:04:45 PM »
« Edited: August 12, 2018, 06:23:06 PM by Speaker Scott🦋 »

The last time I would say the opposition party didn't intensely oppose the President was Reagan and before that was Eisenhower. In both cases, there was a unique reason for that


for Eisenhower, it was that he was a popular War Hero

For Reagan it was that large parts of the Democratic Caucus in the House and the Senate were Republican Lite.

The idea that there was intense opposition from congressional Democrats to Dubya in the couple of years after 9/11 is seriously laughable. A majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war.

So 2/8 years they didnt intensely oppose him but the other 6 (especially the last 4 and a half) the amount the Left opposed Bush was as intense as you can get.

They voted for his war.

They voted for his Medicare plan.

They voted for his tax cuts.

They voted for his education plan.

Bush got literally everything he ever asked for during his presidency, except for immigration reform - and in that case, it was his own party refusing to cooperate.

He didn't get the marriage amendment or Social Security privatization, either.

Bush had the benefit of 9/11 fearmongering to get the worst parts of his agenda passed, usually with bipartisan support.  Up until the war started to become unpopular, there wasn't really an organized resistance because most of the country was afraid there would be another terrorist attack, and every leftist who criticized the war in its early stages was branded as "soft on terror" or un-American.  The Democrats fought Bush on the courts but otherwise let him have free rein over just about everything else.

It's hard to overstate how much political capital Bush had when most presidents are lucky to get maybe a third of what they promise.  Of course that was pissed away after the war turned bad, Katrina recovery was botched, and the economy tanked.
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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2018, 11:21:58 PM »

Yes. Regardless of who the next Democratic President is, four years of Trump will have caused a  rift in this country that can't be mended.

Trump didn't cause that rift. It's been here for years.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2018, 11:25:02 PM »
« Edited: August 12, 2018, 11:32:32 PM by PR »

Yes. Regardless of who the next Democratic President is, four years of Trump will have caused a  rift in this country that can't be mended.

Trump didn't cause that rift. It's been here for years.

Sure, but he's accelerated it - and considering who Donald Trump the man is as a person, that should come as absolutely no surprise. He's always been a ruthless, aggressive, divide and conquer kind of guy, both in the cutthroat world of NY real estate in which he was raised (note his fatherr) and through which he ended up becoming a household name, as well as in his dealings with local politics in NYC and other places where he's done business. This was all long before he became the darling of the 2010s Republican voter base. It's just his personality and temperament, and I have to admit, it has suited him very well.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2018, 02:29:31 AM »

Yup, and only another Recession before 2020 that results in an absolute majority in the Senate and comfy majority in Congress will hope to stop that.
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2018, 03:43:48 PM »

If the Dems surrender and let the GOP keep the fillibuster, then they will play into the GOP hands like they did in 2010. Get rid of it.
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2018, 04:20:24 PM »

Pretty much no matter who the Democrats choose, the Republicans will become hysterical and there will be conspiracy theories about them being the anti-Christ, allegations of “Socialism,” and the GOP in Congress dead-set on trying to destroy their Presidency (no matter the cost to the country). All of those are absolute guarantees.
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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2018, 04:25:51 PM »

Pretty much no matter who the Democrats choose, the Republicans will become hysterical and there will be conspiracy theories about them being the anti-Christ, allegations of “Socialism,” and the GOP in Congress dead-set on trying to destroy their Presidency (no matter the cost to the country). All of those are absolute guarantees.

And then they'll get rewarded for their behavior with a strong victory in the next midterm. The ride never ends.
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« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2018, 06:07:55 PM »

The last time I would say the opposition party didn't intensely oppose the President was Reagan and before that was Eisenhower. In both cases, there was a unique reason for that


for Eisenhower, it was that he was a popular War Hero

For Reagan it was that large parts of the Democratic Caucus in the House and the Senate were Republican Lite.

The idea that there was intense opposition from congressional Democrats to Dubya in the couple of years after 9/11 is seriously laughable. A majority of Senate Democrats voted for the Iraq war.

So 2/8 years they didnt intensely oppose him but the other 6 (especially the last 4 and a half) the amount the Left opposed Bush was as intense as you can get.

They voted for his war.

They voted for his Medicare plan.

They voted for his tax cuts.

They voted for his education plan.

Bush got literally everything he ever asked for during his presidency, except for immigration reform - and in that case, it was his own party refusing to cooperate.
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« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2018, 07:45:53 PM »


This.

To the earlier comment about Clinton, the impeachment effort was near the end of his presidency. Clinton himself says that despite the government shutdown, he had a good working relationship with Speaker Gingrich pre-impeachment. Remember that it was under Gingrich's Majority that the Children's Health Insurance Program was established. While it was hardly the relatively loving relationship between President Reagan and Speaker O'Neill, Clinton-Gingrich is simply not comparable to Boehner-Obama.
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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2018, 09:01:17 PM »

Just want to have it be noted that the ferocity of their opposition and the level of electoral carnage in the following election(s) are not always related. At some point or another we are going to have a normal, more neutral midterm again. Given the way the coalitions and generations are aligning, the 2020s seems ripe for one or two of those.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2018, 11:35:41 PM »

Is the sun hot?

Black or White. Male or Female. Latino or Anglo. No difference who it is.

Faux News, talk radio, and the right wing interwebs will label them as the literal Anti-Christ 24/7 for 8 straight years.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2018, 04:26:00 PM »

Extrapolating from current trends since the 90s, it definitely looks like it. Will current trends be sustained?
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