Most Partisan Modern President Besides The Obvious Two?

[junior chįmp]

To Reagan's credit, he never held a get-out-the-vote rally for a literal pedophile all in the name to salvage a Senate seat.

Reagan endorsed Dennis Hastert back in 1986 when he ran for a House seat.

[Calthrina950]

To Reagan's credit, he never held a get-out-the-vote rally for a literal pedophile all in the name to salvage a Senate seat.

Reagan endorsed Dennis Hastert back in 1986 when he ran for a House seat.

Hastert's pedophilia wasn't widely known about back then. Of course, no one excuses his behavior, but that has to be kept in mind.

[junior chįmp]

To Reagan's credit, he never held a get-out-the-vote rally for a literal pedophile all in the name to salvage a Senate seat.

Reagan endorsed Dennis Hastert back in 1986 when he ran for a House seat.

Hastert's pedophilia wasn't widely known about back then. Of course, no one excuses his behavior, but that has to be kept in mind.

Probably because Reagan liked what Roy Moore liked:

Elizabeth Taylor's wild love life revealed: She had sex with Ronald Reagan aged 15

[Calthrina950]

To Reagan's credit, he never held a get-out-the-vote rally for a literal pedophile all in the name to salvage a Senate seat.

Reagan endorsed Dennis Hastert back in 1986 when he ran for a House seat.

Hastert's pedophilia wasn't widely known about back then. Of course, no one excuses his behavior, but that has to be kept in mind.

Probably because Reagan liked what Roy Moore liked:

Elizabeth Taylor's wild love life revealed: She had sex with Ronald Reagan aged 15

Well I didn't know about this. What was the age of consent back then?

[junior chįmp]

To Reagan's credit, he never held a get-out-the-vote rally for a literal pedophile all in the name to salvage a Senate seat.

Reagan endorsed Dennis Hastert back in 1986 when he ran for a House seat.

Hastert's pedophilia wasn't widely known about back then. Of course, no one excuses his behavior, but that has to be kept in mind.

Probably because Reagan liked what Roy Moore liked:

Elizabeth Taylor's wild love life revealed: She had sex with Ronald Reagan aged 15

Well I didn't know about this. What was the age of consent back then?

Rapin Ronnie!

The age of consent in California has been 18 since 1913.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Second most Conservative President Since FDR Yes, No where near close to being the 2nd most conservative President in history of the GOP.


But again being very ideological doesn't equal partisan and a good example of that is Donald Trump(Who is very partisan but not ideological) .


Anyway, if Reagan was partisan his tax bill would not have gotten the vote of 74 Senators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986https://i.imgur.com/XZhtGBr.png


nor would he have signed the 1986 Gun Control Bill or done Amnesty.

Sigh...Reagan was literally one of the MOST partisan presidents in US History:



How do you think we got to the point were in now? You realize polarization is worse today than it was during the Civil War. Reagan is to blame for that.

These numbers mean nothing without some sort of context. And ideology need not indicate whether one is partisan or not.

[junior chįmp]

These numbers mean nothing without some sort of context. And ideology need not indicate whether one is partisan or not.

SPATIAL MODELS OF PRESIDENTIAL BEHAVIOR

[darklordoftech]

I'm under the impression that polarization began with the Republican Revolution of 1994.

[junior chįmp]

I'm under the impression that polarization began with the Republican Revolution of 1994.

It's true that was when it took off but Reagan started it

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I'm under the impression that polarization began with the Republican Revolution of 1994.

It's true that was when it took off but Reagan started it

In 1980, the Overton window moved far to the right since Church, Birch Bayh, and Mike Gravel went down on the Democratic side, and the party was convinced it needed to move more the right. Also, Jacob Javits lost as the Republicans moved towards ideological purity.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Second most Conservative President Since FDR Yes, No where near close to being the 2nd most conservative President in history of the GOP.


But again being very ideological doesn't equal partisan and a good example of that is Donald Trump(Who is very partisan but not ideological) .


Anyway, if Reagan was partisan his tax bill would not have gotten the vote of 74 Senators: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986https://i.imgur.com/XZhtGBr.png


nor would he have signed the 1986 Gun Control Bill or done Amnesty.

Sigh...Reagan was literally one of the MOST partisan presidents in US History:



How do you think we got to the point were in now? You realize polarization is worse today than it was during the Civil War. Reagan is to blame for that.

The fact it has anybody but Coolidge as most conservative President since 1900 is laughable.


Reagan did Was Pro-Immigration(Coolidge was literally exact opposite) , Signed Gun Control , Cut Taxes By a Lesser Amount that Coolidge did.


Also again Ideological Does not equal Partisanship or else Reagan would not have worked wth Democrats

[OSR stands with Israel]

I'm under the impression that polarization began with the Republican Revolution of 1994.

It's true that was when it took off but Reagan started it

LMAO the 1980s were clearly less Polarizing than the 1960s and 1970s

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

These numbers mean nothing without some sort of context. And ideology need not indicate whether one is partisan or not.

SPATIAL MODELS OF PRESIDENTIAL BEHAVIOR

Yeah, no one's going to read that.

I'm under the impression that polarization began with the Republican Revolution of 1994.

It's true that was when it took off but Reagan started it

LMAO the 1980s were clearly less Polarizing than the 1960s and 1970s

This is all one big girl shrugging emoji, but while the 1960's and 1970's saw some clear cultural lines being drawn--and many times violently--you could point to purely political activity as being still relatively cooperative, despite the constant tug and pull between the legislature and the President. The government coming into power in the 1980's had a much more clearly ideological streak to it. That said, at least if we go by presidential election maps, there's an argument that at least some portion of the country could buy into this ideological direction. Again, though, politics was still consensus-based enough, and the parties diverse enough, that we have stupid arguments about whether or not Nixon or Kennedy would be a Republican or a Democrat today in a way that we really can't (idiotic exceptions excepted) when it comes to Reagan or Clinton.

[President Johnson]

LBJ

Well, Nelson Rockefeller is his preferred successor. Biographer Robert Dalleck states this and it is not hard to believe...

EDIT: LBJ also worked closely together with Republican leader Everett Dirksen to pass the civil rights bill. Without Dirksen's support, it would have been impossible to get enacted.

Wait what I though Humphrey was

Only for the general election against Nixon. And even then it was not wholeheartedly. LBJ was worried about Humphrey's positions on Vietnam and thought he would withdraw too soon and too fast. Rocky was more in line with Johnson's Vietnam policies while he also supported the vast majority of the Great Society programs.

[OSR stands with Israel]

LBJ

Well, Nelson Rockefeller is his preferred successor. Biographer Robert Dalleck states this and it is not hard to believe...

EDIT: LBJ also worked closely together with Republican leader Everett Dirksen to pass the civil rights bill. Without Dirksen's support, it would have been impossible to get enacted.

Wait what I though Humphrey was

Only for the general election against Nixon. And even then it was not wholeheartedly. LBJ was worried about Humphrey's positions on Vietnam and thought he would withdraw too soon and too fast. Rocky was more in line with Johnson's Vietnam policies while he also supported the vast majority of the Great Society programs.

Oh so do you think if Rocky got the GOP nomination in 1968 LBJ would have supported Rocky

[President Johnson]

LBJ

Well, Nelson Rockefeller is his preferred successor. Biographer Robert Dalleck states this and it is not hard to believe...

EDIT: LBJ also worked closely together with Republican leader Everett Dirksen to pass the civil rights bill. Without Dirksen's support, it would have been impossible to get enacted.

Wait what I though Humphrey was

Only for the general election against Nixon. And even then it was not wholeheartedly. LBJ was worried about Humphrey's positions on Vietnam and thought he would withdraw too soon and too fast. Rocky was more in line with Johnson's Vietnam policies while he also supported the vast majority of the Great Society programs.

Oh so do you think if Rocky got the GOP nomination in 1968 LBJ would have supported Rocky

He would not have campaigned for Humphrey (he barely did for Humphrey and only towards the end). According to Robert Dalleck and Happy Rockefeller, LBJ told Rocky, he would never campaign against him. I think he would have backed the governor in private and stayed neutral in public.

[The Mikado]

It's undeniable that Harry Truman was...not a fan of the Republican Party and was fiercely critical of it...especially since that same GOP was accusing him of being a dupe of Moscow and defending a psychotic general Truman had to fire for sabotaging and publicly criticizing his Korea policy. Truman would regularly rail against the Congressional GOP leadership in extremely blistering terms (and, in turn, was accused of sheltering Communist agents who lost China and of botching the war in Korea). He seems like a pretty clear choice for this.

Truman also had several veto overrides, which is pretty much the ultimate "Partisanship-defined Presidency" indicator. Taft-Hartley, especially (one of the most important bills of the 20th century and one regularly overlooked), was passed over Truman's veto and despite his strong criticism of it.

[junior chįmp]

I'm under the impression that polarization began with the Republican Revolution of 1994.

It's true that was when it took off but Reagan started it

LMAO the 1980s were clearly less Polarizing than the 1960s and 1970s

No it wasn't. Polarization in Congress didn't start until Reagan:



The GOP has gone bathsh!t insane since Reaganism took over the party:

[OSR stands with Israel]

Mondale thats because Democrats dominated Congress before 1980


and Im talking about the Public not Congress

[junior chįmp]

Mondale thats because Democrats dominated Congress before 1980


and Im talking about the Public not Congress

Yes, but as I've said before Reagan inspired a generation of bomb throwers to go into politics which is primarily responsible for the polarization were dealing with today.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Mondale thats because Democrats dominated Congress before 1980


and Im talking about the Public not Congress

Yes, but as I've said before Reagan inspired a generation of bomb throwers to go into politics which is primarily responsible for the polarization were dealing with today.

That was Newt ,

Newt throughout the 1980s thought Reagan's biggest mistake was that he was too nice

[junior chįmp]

Mondale thats because Democrats dominated Congress before 1980


and Im talking about the Public not Congress

Yes, but as I've said before Reagan inspired a generation of bomb throwers to go into politics which is primarily responsible for the polarization were dealing with today.

That was Newt ,

Newt throughout the 1980s thought Reagan's biggest mistake was that he was too nice

“Ronnie turned that torch over to Newt and the Republican Members of Congress to keep that dream alive.

-Nancy Reagan

“In fact, from 1974 up to today, Gingrich was always a Reagan man. [...] In 1981, Gingrich was asked to lead a task force to get Reagan’s tax cuts passed in the congress. In 1984, Gingrich was asked to be a member of the Platform Committee at the national convention in Dallas in part, to protect Reagan’s interests there.”

-Craig Shirley, activist, Gingrich supporter and author of several books about Reagan

[Yank2133]

The idea of Obama being the most partisan when he bent over backwards to get Republican support for the stimulus and Heritagecare/Gingrichcare/Dolecare/Romneycare is hilarious.

Yeah, it shows what kind of reality Republicans live in.

Even now you have some R's saying Obama is too partisan even though he is barely in the news, which is pretty remarkable given that we haven't had a 2-term president since Ike, who was still popular enough out of office to make a difference (Reagan health started decline when he left and Clinton had too much baggage from his last couple of years).

[darklordoftech]

Under W. Bush Republicans ran ads switching images of their Democratic opponents with photos of Osama bin Laden. They literally called anyone who didn't support foreign or even domestic polices of the Bush administration terrorists. They threw rocks at people who stood outside with antiwar signs (curiously the FREE SPEECH ANTIFA IS VIOLENT crowd was missing during that period) and held book-burning ceremonies of anti-war musicians CD's. Bush himself didn't use this rhetoric publicly, but he sure gave it a nod of approval in private and it was the basis of Karl Rove's "permanent majority" strategy. It backfired spectacularly in the second half of his presidency but there was no going back.

It's interesting to me how quickly Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, and Republican politicians went from "If you oppose the Iraq War, you hate Israel" to defending the Charlottesville protesters.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

jfk right guys